I’ve been involved in the firearms community in middle Tennessee for as long as I’ve lived here. About 15 years. I’ve heard stories about this happening from people who have taken this guy’s classes, but it was always kind of like hearing that someone saw the Great White Buffalo.
Then I witnessed it personally by virtue in being on the same range as this bozo, and luckily someone else caught it on their camera-phone.
Yep. He seriously has students point their guns AT HIS FACE to somehow diagnose their sight alignment. :jester:
This same clown recently blew his finger off at a class while doing an improper “press check” of a student’s firearm, with his pinky covering the muzzle. You seriously can’t make this shit up.
It’s hard to see on my iPhone, but it looks like the student’s finger might be on the trigger as well. This is on of the dumbest things I’ve ever seen an instructor do.
I seriously doubt we’re looking at an advanced class, so if it’s possible, that almost makes it worse… This is even worse than the idiot teaching the support side draw and index on the chest with a LOADED firearm in a CCW class that got that guy killed recently.
This is extremely stupid and there’s no way I couldn’t say something if I happened to be on the same range.
It’s been discussed but I don’t know if anyone has done so yet. The instructors at our class (which was a more advanced “fighting pistol” course) were dumbfounded to actually witness this and used it as an instructional point of discussion right then and there.
One really cannot exaggerate just how negligent this is as the entire practice is wrong on so many levels. Personally, I believe it’s nothing more than pathetic showmanship on his part meant to instill in his students a sense of awe at what a badass he must be.
Unfortunately it pisses all over one of the basic tenants of firearms safety (ie. Never point your gun at something you do not mean to destroy) and it exposes his students to incredible mental/emotional/psychological harm, not to mention potential legal risk, should one of them discharge their firearm into his face.
It’s behavior that surpasses the absurd and belly-flops right into the realm of the abhorrent.
The TN Dept of Safety had already apparently revoked his credentials to teach concealed permit classes before he shot himself, but he was still licensed to teach security guard classes since that cert comes from a different state agency. :blink:
A former supervisor of mine worked with him at Nasheville PD back in the 90’s and said he had a “reputation” even back then.
It is a valid method of ensuring a student understands proper sight alignment BUT should only be done with a blue gun or a semi-auto with the barrel removed.
I suppose it’d be too expensive to have the students put some rounds on paper and diagnose them from there. :rolleyes:
The blue gun idea might work, but not all training guns have sights. As for removing barrels… doesn’t work so smoothly with every gun, and I can already tell that: 1) if they’re this early into their shooting careers, reassembling a field stripped pistol without a barrel might be asking too much, and 2) No way in Hades is That Guy doing it for me.
Sight Alignment is one of the simplest concepts to teach and correct.
There is absolutely no reason to have someone point a lethal weapon at your eye to diagnose something so simple.
Then again, it would seem that the majority of posters here have already figured that out. Yay for Darwinism.
Maybe it’s just me, but I don’t care for having blue/red/sim guns pointed at me either. It can be done with safety measures, but it’s still more than a bit unnerving.
Weird. There wasn’t much new stuff on M4C this morning so I was looking through TGO and read a thread about this guy.
His comments on the ND incident are posted at the top of page two of this thread: TGO: Gun City Incident
Here’s the important part:
A student violated that rule [loaded guns in the classroom] and brought a handgun (Walther P99, .40 cal) into the classroom with the magazine removed but with a round chambered. The handgun was in a case and he said that the gun was unloaded. I picked up the gun out of the gun case to inspect the handgun and verify the condition and was holding the gun in my right hand and pushed the slide back with my left hand to check the chamber nonetheless. The gun, which has a striker firing mechanism, discharged while being racked. The round struck the first joint of my little finger on my left hand.
Apparently it was the fault of a student who brought a loaded gun into a classroom where no loaded guns were allowed, and because the gun is capable of discharging when the slide is racked :rolleyes:
