For my next toy I really want a piston setup. I can’t however make up my mind between the LMT “CQB MRP Defender Piston 16” or the LWRC M6A2 or A3. I’ve obviously heard nothing bad about either company or rifle, but for two grand I would appreciate an educated word of advise. I want a complete rifle too, I don’t want to build another AR right now. I did get to play with the LMT at my local store and I was extremely impressed with the tightness and overall quality feeling (if that makes sense) of the weapon. There was an immediate sense of “no wonder this thing is so much more expensive than my Rock River”! My intended purpose is just for the range. I’m not a warfighter anymore or even LEO, I’m just a former Jarhead turned fireman who loves guns and shootin 'em and have tax return money burnin a hole in my pocket! Thanks guys.
Oh no… every gun forum seems to have another version of this thread… DD VS BCM, Colt VS. Shrubmaster, Glock VS. 1911, Chevy VS. Ford, America VS. Canada… O.k, maybe not the last one.
Also, to save other forum members the trouble, Why do you need a piston gun?
First, you should ask yourself why you want a piston gun since the only advantage over DI is shooting a suppressed rifle, with a barrel less than 14 inches, on full-auto. Since you are not in a position as a civilian to shoot in this manner, you will not see a significant advantage over DI for the proprietary parts.
While both companies make fine weapons, I’d stick with the LMT if you must go piston. That way you can easily convert to DI once you realize that you made a mistake with the piston
“why do you want a piston gun?” is a very valid question.
if you decide that you do in fact want a piston AR, ive owned both LWRC and LMT. i like the fact that LMT’s MRP allows for quick barrel change w the use of one torque wrench. other than that, both products are of top notch quality. flip a coin!
i use gas AR’s now. i prefer their simplicity, and have experienced nothing short of flawless performance from my gas LMTs and Larues.
So I gather that currently the AR you own is a Rock River? If that is the case and you don’t own a quality DI gun, I would buy a BCM (The only one of the lot I’m about to recommended that I actually own), DD, LMT (DI not piston), or Colt instead and save yourself $1000.
Other than that, please read the stickies. They will answer about 99% of questions that you may have without needing to start new threads that clutter up the forum.
Sorry about the which brand is better question. Not what I was trying to do honestly. I know there’s a lot of guys here with cool toys who know more about them than I do. My local store salesman told me that “LWRC is good because they say they are.” also he did not have any in stock but the LMT was right there with the $2000 price tag. I guess I’m looking for an opinion from people who don’t stand to make any money off of me.
And why do I “NEED” a piston gun??? I don’t, I just want one. LOL. I like the idea of the “gunk” staying away from the BCG.
The “gunk” really isn’t the problem that a lot of fuds make it out to be. You don’t need to clean a DI gun religiously to make it work. I don’t have anywhere near the round counts that many here have but I’ve put over 1000rds through my BCM without cleaning just by squirting some S2K in it every now and then. That isn’t much, I know, but it is just my little example.
I wouldn’t worry about that perceived weakness of DI guns. If you actually get out and shoot, you will see that detail stripping and cleaning your ARs after ever session at the range is not necessary and that DI gun will keep running just fine with minimal cleaning and plenty of lube.
I assume that you are a Marine. You have also been brainwashed by some DI who told you to keep your M16 spotless or it will fail.
Unfortunately he is perpetrating a fraud that has been happening for a long time. As long as you keep your weapon lubed, it will continue to run as it should.
My SBR currently has just over 3500 rounds through it, most of all which have been fired suppressed. I have cleaned it approx. 2 times which consisted of wiping off the BCG and the inside of the upper, relubing and putting it back together.
So, unless you are running a suppressor or firing full auto as has been mentioned, you should save your money. Get a Colt 6920, BCM or DD and spend the extra money on ammuntion and magazines.
If someone gave me an LWRC I would immediately sell it and buy something useful.
Yes, I do own a rock river. I picked it up for $700… I’ve got pistols that cost more than that. Couldn’t pass it up. My RRA shoots fine, but it just feels like something’s missing. Which is why I want a high end AR.
Then I would definitely follow the advice of the much more knowledgeable man right above your post. Quality DI won’t run you $2000, you are looking at closer to $1000.
Correct on both counts. I am a former Marine 1998-2002, and yes my drill instructors beat it into our heads that whenever you have down time, you should be cleaning your rifle. Still to this day I routinely clean all of my guns about once a month (fired or not) and after EVERY trip to the range. I suppose I can relax a bit now.
I was old school Army Infantry (1986-1991) and then Coast Guard later. I was also taught the cleanliness nonsense. Fortunately I was slapped in the face and came to realize it was unnecessary.
Well they don’t call us jarheads for nothin’. Wasn’t the only thing that I was brainwashed with. Thankfully, most everything else has worn off. . . I think!
Heed the advice of the gentlemen above, they won’t steer you wrong. You can save ~$1000, to put towards ammo, optics, training, etc. going with a quality DI carbine.
