Has anyone seen this …http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVWuWkN3WIA
I am not sure if it’s an undersized FCG pin issue or an over sized hole issue. I’m not even sure it’s an issue period however, I know mine does the same thing in the video.
I checked some other AR receivers and my Colt trigger was solid…no wobble. I had one AR trigger that did wobble like the LMT but I don’t know who made the receiver for it.
Just looking for some input.
Thanks, gent’s
Respectfully,
–KJ
All of my AR’s (mostly Colt, KAC, and LMT) exhibit this to some degree. It’s not a concern for me.
You might want to do a search of the forums, as “wobble” between the upper and lowers has been discussed ad nauseum. FWIW, there is absolutely no wobble between the upper and lower of my LM308MWS, they fit together extremely tightly. Not that I care about it, though.
Did you watch the video link? Thus isn’t wobble between the upper and lower receiver…this is lateral movement of your trigger in the lower.
My question to the forum was should this amount of movement be considered normal. I was under the impression that these LMT lowers were the same as KAC so I figured all the KAC and LMT MWS owners would chime in and add their two cents.
Personally, I prefer my trigger to NOT wobble around left or right while I’m trying to pull it straight to the rear…but I’m a bolt gun guy and I’m kind of new to the semi auto 308 world.
I can see how they would put cheaper furniture on to keep costs down but still at $2400 I would expect the fcg pins to start off tight.
It seems this is normal though and is either not a big deal or does not exist in fellow owner’s LMT’s on this forum.
Respectfully,
KJ
Some movement is normal but that looks a little more than Id expect.
If it were me, and I wanted a little less movement Id call Geissele, and ask if I could buy a couple of their oversized pins. I know they make them as one came with my DMR trigger group in case it was needed for a tighter fit.
ETA: If the hole is out of round Id want a new lower.
Ive seen numerous LMT lowers at local dealers with messed up FCG pin holes. Even posted a thread about it here a while back. I have 3 LMT lowers right now, and one of them has pin hole cuts that isn’t pretty but the pins don’t have any excessive movement. For whatever reason LMT seems to have a hard time cutting consistent true or clean cut FCG pin holes just based on what I’ve seen. On mine I mentioned it looks like the tool the used stopped in the middle of cutting, and the holes were never cleaned up. In the thread I mentioned every lower one dealer had the pin holes looked like garbage.
There is a big argument going on over TOS about this. I say if we are going to discuss it let’s keep it civil and no attacks.
I have an MWS and my trigger has no wobble from side to side. My serial number is in the 3xx’s.
I found that thread on TOS…seems like its the same video I pulled off of Snipershide. Doesn’t look like a big arguement unless there is another thread somewherethat I didn’t see.
It seems that its only the right side that has the issue…question, will those KNS pins tighten things up?
I really don’t want to go through the hassle of sending the whole rifle back
Respectfully,
–KJ
Actually you should contact them and ask if it’s normal and if you don’t think it is, you should send it back.
Maybe they screwed up and put out some bad batches? They can’t fix it, if they don’t know about it.
My MWS has the same woble on the triger and pin, although I am not sure if it affects anything. I dont think I would have noticed unless some one pointed it out to me.
Would be curious to find out straight from LMT if this is normal or a bad batch. Wouldnt mind getting it replaced, my rifle has some nasty looking tooling marks on the upper anyways…
Keep us posted as to what LMT has to say
Here is some data I found on TOS
In the interest of helping narrow down the problem, known serials number are:
LS10017X Problem
LS10022X Good
LS10028X Problem
LS10035X Good
LS1003XX Good
27XXX Problem
My MWS is SN LS10035X and it does have the “woble”.
Interesting, mine is a 35x as well and is fine?
Saw the post and figured i would chime in. Mine is a LS10014x and there is no wobble.
Seems like it is more of a random thing than anything to do with a particular batch.
Anyone contacted LMT yet about it?
Not necessarily random. It could be the work of a single machine if the have multiple machines operating simultaneously, or it could be the work of a single toolhead in a gang-type tool. OR it could be straight up batch-MACHINE related if the receivers are mixed prior to getting serialized. I know nothing about their production process, but just because a variance doesn’t manifest itself in an obvious manner, doesn’t mean there’s no special cause.
What if this is not related to the receivers and rather the pins have a problem?
No, I did not watch it…I was too quick to assume. Apologies.
For what it’s worth, my LM308MWS is 10006X…no wobble.
Just picked up my LM308MWSE, ser # LS1009xx. No woble w/FCG pin holes.
Mine is sn#211xx and it wobbles. What diameter pin would I order?
I spoke to LMT a few days ago about my bolt carrier chrome issue,which by the way they will be replacing for me. I asked them about this “woble” thing and this is what I was explained by one of their techs which will remain anonimous just out of respect. He stated that the guy who posted that video is a some one who thinks he is a know it all. The woble is perfectly normal with the stock trigger, it allows the end user to have more options for customizing. He said it effects nothing, he said they even offered the guy who made the video a chance to return his lower but never did so. Just goes to show you cant go by what you read on these boards all the time.
By the way, great customer service from LMT, they even gave me a free return label so I can send my carrier for replacement.