LMT 10.5" short stroking?

I have a 10.5" LMT that has just began showing early signs of short stroking. I noticed a week ago while at the range that it began failing to lock the bolt to the rear when the last round on the mag was fired. I switched ammo and used XM193 on my first test mag and it ran 100%. Second mag was Remington .223 and it ran 100%.
The 3rd, 4th and 5th mag were all Remington .223 and all of them failed to lock the boltto the rear. I have used Remington .223 in the past with no problems.

My setup is as follows:
LMT 10.5" upper
LMT semi BCG
I’m running and H Buffer
Noveske KX3

The bolt has new gas rings.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated

Thanks!

How many rounds did fire before the short stroking started?
Any signs of gas leaking any more than usual at FSB does the end of the gas tube have normal even wear ?
Does the gas key look fine any gas leaks that you can see.

pacifico right what kind of mags are you using?

What kind of mags are you using?

Gas key is on tight. No signs of it impacting the gas tube which would indicate it was aligned incorrectly.

I used Pmags, USGI, and Lancer L5

Does it fail to lock back the bolt on all the differant mags are does it only happen with one manufactures mag?
Also how much oil are you running on the BCG?

The first 2 mags I used were, Lancer and USGI…both were 100%.

The 3rd, 4th and 5th mags were Pmag, USGI, Lancer and all of these failed to lock the bolt back.

When did you replace the gas rings before it started short stroking or after?
How much oil do you run on the BCG ? [I run mine almost dripping wet]

I replaced the gas rings on my second trip to the range. I was hoping that would be the problem since one of the original rings was a bit warped. I soaked this thing with CLP just before shooting.

I am honestly at a loss for what could be causing it.

It might be bad lot of ammo under powered ?
Some body else will come by that knows 10.5" uppers
I have a LMT but its a 14.5’’

my 2 cents:

  1. ammo: some commercial ammo are not hot enough to cycle the weapon
  2. gas key loose?
  3. worn gas rings?

since you’ve already checked points 2 and 3 I’d say it’s ammo fault even if they worked for you in the past.

I thought it could be the ammo also, but I had 1 mag of it run 100% the mags i ran after with the same ammo all had problems.

I will switch up the ammo next week and let you know what i find.

Thanks!

LMTs are made to run on NATO powered ammo. Going less than that opens the door for these problems.

If the gun runs on NATO pressure ammo I would stick with that and change nothing.
If you really want to run SAAMI ammo you might want to try a standard CAR weight buffer.

I’ll give the ammo a shot. I have plenty of XM193 to test with and hopefully this is the answer.
THANKS!

I would also try a regular carbine buffer as well. I would then run all the various types of ammo you have and see what happens.

LMT ships its complete factory 10.5" guns with a regular carbine buffer. Put one of those in instead of the H buffer. Also, I agree with the comments about using 5.56x45 ammo, not .223 SAAMI pressure ammo.

Run a carbine buffer and full power ammo. I bet it runs fine that way.

As noted above LMT 10.5s are designed around 5.56 ammo, and use of the CAR buffer. The gas ports on these are some of the smallest you will find on a short barrel.

I have one and had a ton of short-stroking problems with underpowered training ammo. I tried everything to make it work with this ammo (most of the ammo I shoot is GOV provided frangible, and I carry .223 LE rounds for work), and finally decided it was worth it to me to have the port enlarged a bit. I would not recommend it to everyone, it just depends on what ammo you will be shooting most.

There is nothing wrong with the guns, they are just ported for a specific ammo.

Using a factory LMT 10.5" barrel and going up just 2 thousands makes a pretty big difference for using .223 pressure ammo and either a CAR or H buffer. Numbered drills are your friend here.

As others have reported, LMTs have smaller gas ports than others. I haven’t verified this personally, but can tell you that I’ve had an MRP give some trouble short stroking with cheap ammo.

It ran fine with 5.56, so I simply created what I call my “wolf buffer spring”.

I clipped 1 turn off it at a time until the gun ran properly, then I degreased it and spraypainted it Yellow. Problem solved.

I’ve tested it with the short spring and the gun works fine with full power ammo but is certainly not optimized for it. (However its no worse than any other over-gassed gun out there) If I’m going to be shooting 5.56, I’ll spend the 90 seconds and switch out the spring.

Just a thought.

Do you recall how many coils you clipped in total?