RINO’s galore up in this one. This bill Co Sponsored by McCain, and supported by Graham would allow indefinite detention of people deemed to be a threat without a trial or any due process.
This is what Graham said:
The homeland is part of the battlefield and people can be held without trial whether an American citizen or not.
Fuck these RINO douches. Once again I have to point out we really get nothing voting for these turds.
Under DOJ regulations you can suspected of having more than 7 days of food and/or having guns. Remember Nepalitano saying being a vet is another sign.
Ive said before but Ill say it again…9/11 was the best thing in decades that ever happened to our government, and their power grab over the people. In just a decade they have repeatedly used it as an excuse to turn the US into a police state.
Even Rachel Madcow is wondering WTF. When that little boy is even upset at this you know its beyond being jacked up…
Hey, now I get it. If storing up food makes someone a terrorist suspect and a U.S. citizen suspected of being a terrorist can have a sack pulled over their head and be detained incognito and indefinitely by the U.S. military at black site facilities, the government can round up all the Mormons (Romney and Huntsman included) and spirit them off to Guantanamo.
Geez, the lengths some people will go to to win an election.
Seriously, this shit is fucked up. The government has used 9/11 as an excuse to erase the Bill of Rights lock, stock, and barrel. And if anyone raises their voice in dissent they are branded as “weak on terrorism” or “weak on defense.” I mean, how can you be a patriot if you oppose the Patriot Act? :rolleyes:
This whole Democrat/Republican bullshit is such a fucking red herring. Who gives a flyin’ fuck who’s running the country when they’re all pulling the same shit?
I know you and I have butted heads on plenty of shit, Belmont, but when I read this story this morning I had the same exact reaction.
I always remember shit like this when we’re told to keep pulling the lever for RINO’s and Obama cannot get a second term. In this case they are in lock step with each other on dismantling what little liberty is left in this country. Republicans did a damn fine job on their own from 2001-2007 when they had control of Congress and WH. New boss…same as the old boss.
Its simply amazing to me they think its ok to just toss people in prison forever without any trial, hearing, or basic fundamental rights protections. POW’s captured in a war zone abroad are one thing but they want to start snatching people off the streets in the US without any due process because they “suspect” them.
No different than Saddam Hussein’s goons snatching people off the street who he deemed a threat to his power or Nazi Gestapo or Soviet NKVD. I really mean that. With no due process the only thing ‘stopping’ that from happening under this law is the whim of the government.
SEC. 1031. AFFIRMATION OF AUTHORITY OF THE ARMED FORCES OF THE UNITED STATES TO DETAIN COVERED PERSONS PURSUANT TO THE AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF MILITARY FORCE.
(a) In General- Congress affirms that the authority of the President to use all necessary and appropriate force pursuant to the Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107-40) includes the authority for the Armed Forces of the United States to detain covered persons (as defined in subsection (b)) pending disposition under the law of war.
(b) Covered Persons- A covered person under this section is any person as follows:
(1) A person who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored those responsible for those attacks.
(2) A person who was a part of or substantially supported al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners, including any person who has committed a belligerent act or has directly supported such hostilities in aid of such enemy forces.
(c) Disposition Under Law of War- The disposition of a person under the law of war as described in subsection (a) may include the following:
(1) Detention under the law of war without trial until the end of the hostilities authorized by the Authorization for Use of Military Force.
(2) Trial under chapter 47A of title 10, United States Code (as amended by the Military Commissions Act of 2009 (title XVIII of Public Law 111-84)).
(3) Transfer for trial by an alternative court or competent tribunal having lawful jurisdiction.
(4) Transfer to the custody or control of the person’s country of origin, any other foreign country, or any other foreign entity.
(d) Construction- Nothing in this section is intended to limit or expand the authority of the President or the scope of the Authorization for Use of Military Force.
(e) Requirement for Briefings of Congress- The Secretary of Defense shall regularly brief Congress regarding the application of the authority described in this section, including the organizations, entities, and individuals considered to be `covered persons’ for purposes of subsection (b)(2).
Lots of sound bytes running around about this NDAA.
Also, this language only exists in the Senate version of the bill and it hasn’t passed yet. The House version (that did pass) has none of that language and looks different.
The sky isn’t falling yet, but it does reinforce the need for keeping an eye on our Congresspeople. Republicans may have some ideas right, but they’ve traditionally been harsh on real or perceived criminals, perhaps erring on the side of locking away too many rather than letting a guilty man go free. Thats my read on recent history anyway.
Coincidently, I was reading this article in NRO just before this thread. I have been reading and listening to Andrew McCarthy for a decade and he is a solid, no nonsense patriot and a terrorism expert. The United States has been fighting AQ, the Taliban and associated groups under the Authorization for Use of Military Force (AUMF) for over a decade and in that time only one US citizen has been detained as an enemy combatant, he being Jose Padilla.
There are lots of ugly things the government can do to us, regulate us into oblivion, borrow trillions and trillions of dollars, print trillions and trillions more, wreck the economy, entice tens of millions more Americans into dependency on government, these are things they are energetically doing right now. I am far, far more worried about the EPA destroying my economic liberty than the DOD locking me up in a prison camp. Don’t get distracted by this stuff. When you do, you loose sight of the real threats.
If they try to pull some of the shit they’re authorized to pull, they’ll be facing revolution so fast their heads will spin. Who will enforce this, anyway? What soldier in their right mind will follow through with this, what cop? McCain certainly isn’t in any condition to go out and fight this fight.
Yes the government, overall, has become a threat to many things. I just prefer to keep myself aware of many threats, and not say “It can’t happen here”. It already did when when they took American citizens of Japanese decent out of their homes during WW2 and put them in camps.
I didn’t say it couldn’t happen here. I think it is a remote possibility they will lock us up under the AUMF, not impossible but very remote. They are actively and busily destroying our liberty every day through the growth of government and that should be our main focus. The left would love nothing more than to have us in an uproar over something that is very unlikely all the while they work their mischief.
Let me put it differently, I am a lot less worried about remote possibilities than I am ugly realities. The remote possibility is that they will revoke our liberty in one Executive Order but the ugly reality is that they are revoking our liberty, one regulation at a time.
They will not be facing revolution. 90% of the population is sheep
Who will enforce it? Are you kidding me? Remember grandma getting her ass kicked by a cop over an old rusty revolver during Katrina. They’ll find people. Every dime of misery made up by politicians is enforced by a sheep civil servant. That wont change. Just keep the checks flowing so they can afford their big screen TV.
The gov’t is playing the long game. First they will dilute the core population of americans (when I say american I mean black, chinese, white, red, brown…America is a culture not a race. We’re all predominantly christian and have the same holidays and values.) with foreign races and cultures. This creates a disparate group of people and eliminates trust and cohesion.
Next they work on the younger generation to desensitize them to violence against fellow americans. ( have you seen and read the story outline for the new tom clancy video game Rainbow 6?!!). It’s about domestic terrorists…the same one’s you guy’s are talking about. Middle class americans who are fed up and sick of losing our rights, jobs, money to foreign workers, and unscrupulous financial institutions!..
In the military they use video games for combat simulation if you don’t think that this is exactly what is going on with the release of something like this rainbow 6 game then you need to rethink.
I can’t imagine a company bringing a game to market that has covert military forces tracking, hunting and killing fellow americans! no way not without some assurances of reimbursement if the game flops! It’s a Tom Clancy title, anyone who knows anything about Tom Clancy knows that this guy is smart, so smart that the CIA, and NSA decided to use him as a consultant after his first couple of books. He is very good at being an analyst on a global scale. Taking disparate seemingly unrelated pieces of information and fitting them together and painting a picture or snapshot of what is to come.
So yeah I think that middle class free thinking americans really need to be a little scared of the direction our country is going.:cray:
It’s like things are starting to move at a frenzied pace in the last 5yrs:blink: or so!
