I have no idea who made this video, and I don’t shoot like a sissy-wristed queen, but I found it interesting nonetheless:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsewsolPyBU&feature=player_embedded
I’ve seen that before.
Check this one out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jh9JhCyFFxA&NR=1
He uses a G-17 and G-21. The 21 seems to work better than the 17 but still has problems.
I’ve heard before that Glock’s are the worst for limp wristing. Wonder why?
I believe it is because of the slide mass.
I would like to see the M&P included in this test.
The only thing those videos prove is that the Glock may have a lower tolerance for “limp wristing” when held in that exact manner.
The problem I have with the “test” is the way its being held is not anatomically correct. Even if a hand is injured or someone shoots with a less than firm hold the gun will be gripped in the web of the hand. Even the most loosey goosey wrist will exert more resistance than the two finger hold and exagerrated flex being demonstrated in the vid. A person’s wrist would litterly have to be made of bubble gum for the gun to whip back and forth that violently under recoil like the video.
Besides, if my hand was injured I’d better transition to my weak hand anyways. I probably ain’t gonna hit squat with an injured hand anyways.
Don’t get too wrapped up around the method, it’s obvious it’s not scientific in any way. I think it does demonstrate why it’s so important to stress proper grip and proper grip pressure to non-shooting ladies and little ones, as well as remind we manly men, that you we need to be mindful of our grip.
Proper grip, proper grip pressure, and locking the wrist is basic to good fundamental shooting no matter what a person may be shooting. The video itself may demonstrate that a Glock has a lower threshold but people have in the past broadly applied this video to the real world and over-exagerrated a Glock’s sensitivity to limp wristing. Another thing I hope it doesn’t do is convine people to get others who might not otherwise to simply get a different pistol or a revolver instead of stressing such basic shooting techniques.
That would make sense. The frame is SO light compared to the slide compared to an all steel gun.
If that is the case then the M&P, XD, Walther P99, and HK USP would theoretically have the same results.
…and people also assume that they will always have the ability and strength to provide positive purchase on their weapon…
Then they get in a real gunfight, http://m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=45461&highlight=justin, and have a tough time holding a gun due to injuries.
Ayoob, Hackathorn, Vickers, Rogers, and many, many others point out that many cops getting in gun fights are shot in the hands.
Quit getting wrapped up in technique demonstrated, and methodology, and note that we have to be mindful to try and apply proper pressure and firearm control or we could induce our own failures under stress, or when injured.
There’s got to be something to the limpwristing phenomenon as, there are a lot of Glock armorers and shooters who ask to see your shooting technique when diagnosing failures to feed or lock back with various Glocks.
Be mindful, take from it what you will, but the method is the same for each gun, or close enough, and is a somewhat useful comparison – even if unrealistic.
Just watched the video. Fucking stupid waste of ammo. :rolleyes:
Some idiot from Full-Auto.org? Any test that puts a 1911 on top for reliability is a fucking joke from the start.
Don’t think that was the “findings” of the little comparison test.
Only thing I worry about is if were a setup, using subsonic 150+ gr 9mm reloads in the Glock and full power ammo in the others.
ETA: Which is always possible with “setup” comparisons with obvious agendas.
Yes, LEO’s have frequently been shot in the hand but again at that point is it better to keep trying to shoot with an injured hand (if its even possible) or transition to the weak hand or BUG?
If someone has been properly diagnosed with a chronic or extreme limp wrist problem with a Glock or other automatic then the instructor should certainly correct this either by technique or equipment.
I’m not saying a Glock isn’t more sensitive to limp wristing, but its usually limited to a very few people. And an extreme or “unrealistic” demonstration is limited in its “usefulness” to most circumstances and to most people. As you stated “somewhat useful”.
Where someone might have an argument is we might not always be able to shoot with proper technique under moments of stress. That may be so but I’ve shot enough with less than perfect hold to have confidence in my Glocks. I sometimes on purpose limp wrist to try to induce a malfunction and so far no problems with my G26, G17, G21SF or my old G27, G23. If I’m wrong when it really counts. Well damn, that sucks for me.
Ok, we’ll agree to disagree then.
I never throw my 1911 in a bucket of sand before shooting, but everyone swears that in order to test a new pistol, you must bury it in play sand, shake it around, and then not clean it while shooting.
For comparitive purposes, a G17 will take that abuse, and shoot fine, but a 1911 won’t. It’s just one minute data item, however unrealistic.
So we’ll agree to disagree, I’m more worried it was a setup using poo-poo ammo in the Glock.
Yes, we’ll have to agree to disagree but its not like we’re polar opposite of each other.
And if either my G17 or 1911 was thrown in a bucket of sand I wouldn’t count on either working properly. I don’t care what these so called tests say. Interesting to see in a “test” but not something I would care to bet my life on and it doesn’t give me warm fuzzies. If enough crap gets into any gun, Glock or an AK, it will stop working. That’s why I clean and lube my Glock as regularly as I clean and lube my 1911. So in the event I don’t have time to clear the pistol after being dropped in sand, mud, or snow and have to press the trigger immediately I’ll press the trigger. And hope God is smiling down on me.
Here is another video of a young lady shooting a Glock with BOTH hands and the gun hangs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHWAPtO7m90
Not trying to bash Glocks but this lends some credibility to the first video.
The point to be made here is that you need to know your gun’s limitations. You need to get out and shoot your gun of choice and make sure that it runs for you rather than believe Internet or marketing hype.
Some guns may require more maintenance, certain ammo, or in this case a firm grip.
I’ve had an entire limb disabled from a gunshot wound. I know for a fact that transitioning to a weak hand only grip with my carry Glock would have been fine. This is “what-iffing” a bit too much in my book, respectfully.
This is generally believed to be true (especially on the Gen 4’s).
The argument has always been that if your hand(s) are injured, the Glock might cause you a serious problem.
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This.
In a perfect world, the drip tension is always correct. One problem though, we don’t live in this world and getting shot in the hand is normal during a gun fight.
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