LEO Forum - Rules for Admission

Dealers/ Manufacturers/ Regional/ Info Site Questions & Comments
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[b]For access to the LEO Forum (private forum), a member must have a minimum of 30 productive posts and be a:

  1. full time,

  2. sworn,

  3. law enforcement officer,

4)currently working for a Federal, State, County, or Municipal LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY.

For access to the LEO Forum email a scanned copy or photocopy of your:

[b]1) Badge

  1. Agency / Department Identification Card

  2. On Department Letterhead[/b]

In the email with a copy of your Badge / ID Card / Letterhead, please add the following information:

  1. Your rank

  2. Assignment (ie. Sergeant - 2nd shift Patrol, Detective - Investigations Bureau, Federal Agent - Any City Metro Gang Task Force, etc.)

  3. Your M4Carbine screen name

Send the email for request to one of the following Moderators: mark5pt56: marktiedemann@cox.net, or Buck: buck.mossie@gmail.com .

When you email your department credentials please include your M4Carbine.net screen name so your account can be granted access to the LEO only forum.

Retired / Medically Retired law enforcement officers who meet the above requirements and retired under honorable conditions also qualify for access to the LEO only forum. Retried LEO members will be granted access on a case by case basis. When you email your credentials please add a brief description of the conditions under which you retired.

Thank you,
M4Carbine.net Staff[/b]

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[b]All,

      Recently I have been flooded by requests for access to the LEO Only Forum from members who either don't qualify or qualify but don't provide the proper credentials or information.

       Listed above are the rules for access into the LEO Only Forum.  

       You either meet [i][u]*all*[/u][/i] the requirements or you don't.  If you don't meet [i][u]*all*[/u][/i] of the requirements please [i][u]***don't ask for a waiver or special permission to the LEO Only forum.***[/u][/i] 

       If you meet [i][u]*all*[/u][/i] the requirements and want access to the LEO Only Forum, please provide [i][u]*all*[/u][/i] of the information required above.  

        Everyone who has been given access to the LEO Only Forum has met the requirements listed above and have submitted *all* of the information required for access.

        The rules listed above were set in place to ensure that we could maintain the integrity of the private forum and protect the personal security of the members of the private forum.

Thank you,
M4Carbine.net Staff[/b]

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The request for letterhead is a bit much around some larger departments such as mine. The only place which uses it is the Chiefs Office and HR, neither of which will give out blank copies or allow me to make a photo copy of my badge/creds on it, so now what…
:confused:

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Letterhead can be any official department document. Most faxes are done on some kind of Department Letterhead. Narcotics / Investigations / CSI - due to the nature of their work, they are constantly using some type of official letterhead for request for information from other agencies, etc.

Everyone who has requested accessess into the LEO only forum has followed the rules posted above, and submitted all of the information outlined above.

The LEO only forum is a private forum. The rules for admission into the LEO only forum were agreed upon by the Staff / Moderators and set in place before the LEO Only forum went live. The rules were developed as a way to ensure the integrity of the private forum and to protect the personal security of the members posting in the LEO only forum.

No one is forcing you to join the LEO only forum, there is no pressure to join. If you would like to participate, please follow the rules posted above.

Thank you,
Jeff

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Its your house and rules and I respect that but the section may lose highly qualified officers because they are restricted by department rules on release of such information. As you wish to know who I am, I have no clue who your are or how my information would be stored or used even if I was allowed to release it under department regulations. Hopefully some other form of verification will suffice as I would like to contribute to your forum.

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On 07-26-09 at 3:30pm, I replied to your email. My reply:

[i]Rules are listed here:

https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=9970

All who have been granted access have complied with the rules listed above.

Take care and be safe

S/F,
Jeff[/i]

From the 2nd post in this thread:

[b]All,

Recently I have been flooded by requests for access to the LEO Only Forum from members who either don’t qualify or qualify but don’t provide the proper credentials or information.

Listed above are the rules for access into the LEO Only Forum.

You either meet all the requirements or you don’t. If you don’t meet all of the requirements please don’t ask for a waiver or special permission to the LEO Only forum.

If you meet all the requirements and want access to the LEO Only Forum, please provide all of the information required above.

Everyone who has been given access to the LEO Only Forum has met the requirements listed above and have submitted all of the information required for access.

The rules listed above were set in place to ensure that we could maintain the integrity of the private forum and protect the personal security of the members of the private forum.

Thank you,
M4Carbine.net Staff[/b]

The rules were set in place from day 1. The rules and requirements are a standard that everyone in the LEO only forum has met prior to being given access.

All of the LEO Forum Moderators are full time sworn police officers and the info required above is deleted after it is reviewed.

It would not be fair to the members of the LEO Only forum who have already met the standards and supplied the information above if we started making exceptions for new members.

A member wanting access into the LEO Only forum either meets all of the requirements listed above and provides all the information above or access will not be granted.

Thank you

S/F,
Jeff

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I can send picture of badge and credentials. Also provide other info. But what do you want on letterhead? I am just a patrol officer on the beat. Not anybody that has regular access to department letterhead for optional extra-caricular activities.

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I second that. My dept treats it’s letterhead like a restricted item. I do however have my ID and Badge, you could call my agency and ask them if I work there by running my Emp ID number, or I could send you an email from my agency account… but the letterhead is hard to do.

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Yeah…letterhead makes them think you are going to buy something in their name, support something in their name, or somehow obligate them to something and open them up to liability.

When I worked for a 20 man department it was easy to get. Now that I work for a major city with 1400 officers, no way.

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I’m more than willing to abide by the requirements and I concur with the concerns of using a department letterhead. My agency may not look kindly to using a letterhead for a forum. I’m sure I can explain my side but I am sending it to the unknown black hole of the intra-web and I’m concerned that they can come back and get me for improper use of a letterhead.

I’m not all too sure what are the restrictions on using my department letterhead but when I asked around what exactly we use for a letterhead as opposed a memorandum, I started to get a few questions and concerned looks trying to explain.

But I do have a valid suggestion and that in lieu of an agency letterhead use a department email account. My agency is not as restrictive on me using that and it can be used to email copies of creds and badge. Besides someone who is not LE can get access to creds and a badge and make a letterhead. Sounds more secure and easily verifiable to use department email account when it shows John.Doe@verifiablepd.gov as opposed to d0nutlvr69@hotmail.com.

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I got an idea, let us email you a copy of our business card and you just call the department and have them confirm our employment?

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Funny how after post #6 with USMC03 explaining things again, there are five more posts inquiring about the requirements being so ‘restrictive’, or offering other ideas to get around the current requirements…

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I am glad you find it amusing that some of your fellow officers would like to participate in the forum, but are unable to do so because they have departments that will not let them comply with the terms.

Yeah, it’s real “funny”.

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It’s unfortunate you misunderstood me. I do not find it funny or amusing that other fellow officers cannot participate in the forum.

And funny may have been the wrong word to use. Maybe perplexing is better.

Here we are, supposed to enforce the laws and rules, and after the rules are posted, more than once, there are some suggesting ways around them, or questioning their need to be so restrictive.
Yeah, I think perplexing is a good word.

I feel very fortunate to be able to participate in all parts of this forum. I’ve gotten a ton of exceptional info, and made a friend or 2.

And I want to thank the mods and admins for having this place, and letting me be a part of it.

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Only time I get a badge is when I work OP or go on a med trip. Everything else I can supply.

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I fully understand and have no problem with establishing “rules” for access to the forum.

However:

[i]For access to the LEO Forum email a scanned copy or photocopy of your:

  1. Badge
  2. Agency / Department Identification Card
  3. On Department Letterhead

In the email with a copy of your Badge / ID Card / Letterhead, please add the following information:

  1. Your rank
  2. Assignment (ie. Sergeant - 2nd shift Patrol, Detective - Investigations Bureau, Federal Agent - Any City Metro Gang Task Force, etc.)
  3. Your M4Carbine screen name[/i]

Every single one of the above requirements can be met with the use of a copy machine, color printer and adobe photo shop. I would bet the resulting “credentials” could be made to appear more “official” than the real thing.

The best way to insure the integrity of the forum is to contact the department to validate employment and to contact the individual to confirm identity.

I agree with many of the posters above who have claimed problems with either making copies of credentials or gaining access to department letterheads.
Since 9-11, many departments have increased restrictions on the use of letterheads, patches and ID’s.

I retired 10 years ago and was issued an ID card at that time. Now, in the days of Homeland Security, a credit card type of ID is issued. The only way I can obtain that card is to appear in person to have it made up. The Chief of Police, if he so chose to, can not authorize the card to be sent to me. If I am ever in the area I will stop by and have the new one issued but I don’t see it happening in the near future.

My hole point is that while the rules may be good there is nothing wrong with changing them if some guys are having legitimate problems complying with them.
If the aim is to insure a LEO only forum a few phone calls would do it.

Just to be clear, I have no interest in joining this forum. I am simply throwing my .02 (maybe more like .25?) into the ring after reading the posts. Stay Safe.

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Why the necessity for an LEO forum? Especially one that is “restricted”? I’m curious about this. I am not an LEO, but have trained a few in MTT schools in MOUT/CQB tactics, and have friends who are LEO’s, but much like my thoughts on the Clinton AWB and mag cap restrictions that applied to “civilians” only, when you have laws and “rules” that are applicable to all but the police, you are sliding towards a police state.

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For the questions as to why we need a “Restricted” LEO site. I don’t want to discuss situations or tactics that have been used on me and or I have deployed on other criminals out in the open for everyone’s mother to read. If I have a bad guy get the drop on me for whatever reason like hiding weapons, drugs, or semi- ambush attempts I want to share that with other LEO’s. Again, not for the average Joe. Not saying you are one but that would mean that anybody can see what works and what doesn’t.

For the guys that are having a letterhead issue, go to your Chief/Sheriff’s office, tell his secretary what you are wanting to do (better yourself by becoming a part of the site) and have her type up the letterhead in less than a minute, fax it, and let her destroy the damn thing. Hell, if she’s good like our, you just stand there while she does it and you never touch a thing. That easy folks. Go ask, I think you will be surprised if you present it correctly…

Good luck,

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I fully understand the restrictions on the LEO forum; sorry for the bonehead e-mail yesterday…

Regards,

Kevin

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A little outside the box thinking here…if you want in to the LEO section, go get a copy of your personel file. Most, if not all, of us will have some sort of letter on letterhead from when you were hired. Use that as the background when you photocopy your badge/ID. Problem solved.

Just saying…