Have you seen the bodycam footage? Floyd was yelling “I can’t breathe!” and other such crap before anyone even touched him.
This. If anything the popo were doing what he wanted. He actively resisted sitting his black ass down in the back seat. So they do si do’d and tried to accommodate him. They didn’t know, and should not be held accountable for, the insane amounts of opioids he shoved up his anus. I seriously don’t see how they could have called for paramedics sooner. And even then paramedics WILL NOT get involved if the subject is actively resisting (Ambulance Drivers are a skittish lot)
Yoni, bubeleh, you’re creating new standards that simply don’t need to exist.
You’re asking police to:
-be psychic
-preemptively call for medics who won’t do anything until the subject is cuffed and on the ground (like in the video)
-Do enough but not too much nor too little
If I were Chauvin and if I knew then what is known now. I would have gotten 10-8 and not even bothered. Which is what they want and what they shall receive.
I would gladly let thuggies beat their women, kill their children or somebody else’s, sell dope to your white children, steal your cars, rape your daughters and kill your korean/hindu store owners before I get put in a lameass situation where I am “responsible” for somebody ODing or doing something stupid
I’m like John Galt up in here. I’m leaving it as I found it.
I’ll just photo whatever corpses remain and do a nice report.
Floyd had 11ng/ml of fentanyl in his blood at autopsy. He had a 0.0% chance of seeing the sunset. Lethal dose is generally considered to be 2-3ng/ml.
I’m no doc, but my understanding is that given those blood levels absolutely nothing short of time travel would have saved him.
Because the drugs were likely swallowed and he was high as hell.
I’m not sure how you can not breathe and yet continue to say “I can not breathe” forty some times in a row.
He might have been so high he didn’t think he was breathing, but yes, he was still breathing or he wouldn’t have been able to say that.
I still think he hid the dope in his mouth and swallowed it, then semi realized he just killed himself.
A judicious foot in the back to push them down (cuffed and feet restrained too). Not leaning on it constantly. Certainly not kneeling on their friggin’ neck for 7+ minutes.
Look, Floyd was a POS. I’m not shedding any tears. But actually think about this for a second: a full-grown adult male kneeling on your neck, quite solidly, for over 7 minutes. Sorry, but that’s bound to create some kind of problems.
Cool, your terms are acceptable so long as you don’t come after me after I do what I got to do, we can still friends, hang out and BBQ or whatever.
I had a reason I left civilian law enforcement in the USA, and went back to chasing terrorist.
George Floyd settlement: $27 million approved by Minneapolis City Council.
This was a unanimous vote. Nothing like handling the responsibility before the criminal trial.
Now bill them for the riots.
The problem with multi million dollar settlements is that eventually you run out of white taxpayers willing to stay and pay.
The LA Riots almost bankrupted Los Angeles and for what?
I’m sorry but eventually Shanekua and her kids will simply have to starve with no heat if we can’t have functional cities with an economy
Rodney King got about $4 million. Then he drowned in the pool at his fancy new digs, high as low orbit satellite on PCP, coke, pot, and booze.
Nice how he turned his life around and all.
Why don’t they just give these Cops duffle bag loads of cash every tour of duty and just pay the thugs off immediately to stop the BS?
I mean 27 Million?
Here Jimmy, here is 2K, now please take it and go back home.
I mean, really, what could go wrong?
Most of that will go to the platoon of lawyers, the rest will be pissed away within a year by the family on houses, cars, trips, booze, drugs, etc. Happens every time.
The timing is terrible, and likely done on purpose. This will be seen as an admission of guilt by the city and Chauvin will have even a lower chance of getting a fair trial in Minneapolis. The trial is political theater already and if Chauvin is cleared, which is very possible, last summer’s riots will pale in comparison to what is coming.
No way Chauvin is getting a fair trial in Minneapolis. Move it to Rochester…:jester:
And that is what royally pisses me off the most. It won’t just happen in Minneapolis; no, it will happen everywhere, AGAIN.
Please tell me what Nashville/Birmingham/NYC/LA/Miami/wherever has f**k-all to do with Minneapolis and those assholes Chauvin and Floyd? I’m nowhere near MN but my state, and many others nowhere near there will also pay the price.
I don’t think you understand where this goes sometimes. You can’t just hold someone down in the back and let them bang their head against the pavement. And you can’t just wait for them to go nuts, if you see some signs you need to be proactive about really having more control.
The thing is you don’t even have to believe the cops, look up what EMT’s have to say about dealing with excited delirium. Scary stuff.
Yeah, I get the things-go-sideways aspect of it. Murphy is driving. And Murphy will likely dish up some “cracked-out” jackass (under the influence of whatever) that you’ve gotta deal with. I’m not saying I wouldn’t be tempted to help him smack his head on the ground, but just thinking of having a knee across your neck with a normal-sized human’s weight (while restrained). It’d be tough, a l-o-n-g seven minutes, and even being methed-out it would kind of get old really quick.
Something that’s important to remember is that the knee on the neck tactic was official MPD policy (use of force policy 5-300, before it was conveniently changed over the summer) and involved an officer applying pressure to the side of the neck of a proned out combative subject experiencing excited delirium - with the specific emphasis to render the subject unconscious through a type of “sleeper hold,” using the knee and the carotid.
For all intents and purposes, Chaivin did it correctly; it just did not work because Floyd was so hopped up. There was absolutely no winning that situation.
Minneapolis will burn, many other cities will burn, Chuavin will be charged with 3rd Degree Homicide (manslaughter) and will be dragged out of the court by BLM and lynched in the street.
I’m likely one of the few on this board who has seen excited delirium more than once in the field, it’s terrifying and I still have a magazine pouch that was ripped from my belt as a reminder. It is a one-way ticket to death without immediate medical attention and body temp cooling, ketamine seems to work well to help shut them down. If you haven’t seen it before, you won’t recognize it and my first time I had to be told what was going on. I thought the guy was being an exceptional a-hole who wanted to resist and was super sweaty with a stupid high heart rate and I could see it in his neck. LVNR was used to render the subject unconscious then it was a mad rush to get him strapped to the gurney. Floyd was going to die that day, it was just a matter of how. The knee on Floyd’s neck didn’t kill him, the drugs and likely excited delirium as his body fought to try to save itself did. I just hope that information makes it out in trial.
The coming riots are going to destroy cities and we will long for NYC in the late 1970s. Seattle, PDX, NYC, LA to a lesser extent, and of course Minneapolis will be destroyed. I don’t see them going deep into the suburbs as those cops and citizens will have a different rule set compared to the restraints on cops in large cities. We already saw that in the Seattle area last summer. They hit Bellevue and Tukwilla once and learned not to do that twice.
I can’t even express the dread I feel, knowing that good, honest, hard working people are going to suffer through riots that will make Dresden look like a camp fire.
Oh the irony that the same people who spent a year shouting “follow the science” for a year will be destroying cities because they refuse to do just that in this case.
Andy