So the fear of public skewering should dictate where and how loudly we voice legitimate concerns for our country? Sounds like more perpetuation of the politically correct and liberal system we have going on here. If more people would voice there concerns loudly in public forums then perhaps we might be able to stem the tide of horse shit going on here. People are damn near petrified to admit to being McCain supporters due to the racist stigma that is almost immediately attached. Submitting to that is NOT the answer.
Dealing in facts: Did it start with him? Sure but I highly doubt he knew what was going to come from it and to call him a “tool”, whether by means of the insult or an actual “tool” of someones campaign, is simpleminded. Didn’t he say/tell them to stop bringing his name up? That’s like blaming the mother of a child for giving birth after the child commits murder…Similar logic. I’m on the same page as you most times but this time I personally feel you’ve missed the mark.
Are you saying Joe thought he had him in a “gotcha” moment? If so, Jesus F… The man’s a plumber not a political strategist. To spot him that much credit for being politically savvy is crazy… Sometimes and orange is just an orange.
…The first part, while I understand where you are coming from, lacks understanding of certain issues pertaining to small business that is not appropriate to discuss here. Showing that you have presence of mind to evaluate yourself before making a statement however is what more people should be doing and I commend you for stating that.
Joe is responsible for his character but make sure you are in fact judging character and not using misrepresented facts about his life to pass judgment such as labeling him a tool.
McCain campaign should have left this man alone and def. investigated what COULD have been construed by the press as negative before making him a poster boy. We completely agree there. Bad move.
Those are the important points. The rest of that stuff is just me talkin’.
Responsibility is an attitude. What I’m saying about Mr. Wurzelbacher being a “tool” reflects both that attitude and my experience. I’ve been a public figure and I’ve represented public figures, and I’ve been responsible for certain things appearing in the media that were 100% true and “innocent,” but that started cascade reactions that came back to bite me. And I became a tool.
“Intent,” as a prosecutor might say, “follows the bullet.”
And that is what is wrong here. Believe when I say I completely understand what you are talking about. I really do. The process and result of those situations are part of the media/terminal cancer that preys on the minds of the simple. The wrongful classification of well intentioned individuals, although excepted today, doesn’t change the reality that it’s wrong and shouldn’t be happening.
Many battles to be chosen in life… Not sure why I choose this one…
It’s definitely one result of a free press – a blessing or a curse, depending. In any case (and with apologies to Ben Franklin), I’ve always found it futile to pick a fight with anyone who buys ink by the barrel.
Just some food for thought here; Keeping in mind that Osamabama knocked on Wurzelbacher’s door, what if the Osamabama camp found this guy beforehand knowing full well that he had some “issues”, (even a distant relationship with charles Keating of “the Keating Five” fame) and then if he asked him the wrong question(s), they could whack him, verbally of course, which is what happened. After all, I’m sure someone in Osamabama’s camp can dig up information on anybody they choose.
Isn’t it odd that Osamabama just happened to be in this guy’s neighborhood and he just randomly knocked on THIS guy’s door and Joe just happened to be a distant relation to Keating? This whole thing looks to be a little more than random.
I find it incredibly interesting that the press has spent more time looking into the sex life of Sarah Palin’s daughter and looking into the life of Joe the Plumber than they have looking into the past of Barak Obama.
Joe the plumber isn’t the issue.
b husseins socialist plan to “spread the wealth around” is the issue.
liberal press is attacking JTP to dampen the b hussein soc/lib comment.
Couple things about Joe the plumber. Anyone and I mean anyone can owe back taxes and or owe the IRS money from a penalty and not even know it. You think all is filed just fine and then find out (years later) that you owe the man some money. It can happen to anyone so I do not look down on him for that.
I do not know much about being a plumber or even if you need a special license to do it, but I am going to go out on a limb and say that he most likely does not need one (as he does not own his own plumbing business). So again, I am not sure what the big deal is about that.
The part that gets me the most in all of this is comments that Obama and Biden keep making that the majority of small business’s do not make over $250K a year. They want people to believe that they are talking about small business owners taking home $250 (NET). WRONG! What they are talking about is small business’s having $250K in GROSS profits! As a VERY small business owner, having $250K in gross profits is not a lot! I am willing to bet that the MAJORITY of small business’s in this country gross that with ease.
I already pay 35% in taxes, if Obama gets in, who knows what it will be. One thing is for sure, I will not be picking up any employees (as I couldn’t afford too). :mad:
Big business, small business, individual…I acknowledge that a tax authority will make a determination before informing the taxpayer. (Natch.) Only bureaucratic logic [sic] rules how much time passes before the notice goes out.
Funny that everyone seems to be missing the salient point here:
Obama is running for President of ALL Americans. He’s not running for President just of liberal Democrats. The country he may govern will CERTAINLY have more than a few Republicans some (heaven forbid) with tax liens. Many might even disagree with his policies. Obama showed up at these people’s houses… what a crime that one of the unwashed Republicans there should challenge him with a question.
ALL Americans have a constitutional right to question our officials without being “vetted” by the press as a fine upstanding citizen.
That the media is going apeshit to try to discredit him misses the point…again, but is more than a little telling about his meaning.
That some otherwise intelligent people here seem to buy into their line of stupidity is more than a little disconcerting.
PS. His freudian slip of “spreading the wealth around” is not the function of the tax system.
Yeah it is funny how they attack Palin, her kid and now joe the plumber and now most of mainstream media, for the exception of FOX News, has given ACORN a pass for fraud and trying to F up the voter registration process.
