Ok everyone i think its time! I lost 82lbs to weightwatchers and it does work! I’m 29 yrs old and i am i volunteer firefighter so in some what pretty active now more then ever.
I want to learn how to fight maybe for future shtf days or just for life skills but I’m stumped on the types of fighting ? Any recommendations ? Yeah I’ll be a man and say i dont know how to fight … Thanks for your help guys
First off, congrats on dropping 82 pounds. That’s very impressive.
Second, I’m going to move your thread to the Training and Tactics subforum, where I think you will get more viewers and better input.
I’m guessing you mean martial arts, in which case brazillian jiu jitsu is pretty hard to argue against.
I would recommend however that instead you take basic firearm training and then a class like Shivworks that focuses on “fighting to your gun” rather than trying to take some on hand to hand. Fist Fighting is deadly force, IF you’re in the situation to use deadly force, why **** around.
What would a basic firearms class teach ? I’m thinking a course / class like survival training knife , weapon , hand to hand , more or less all in one
Just what it says, basic firearm skills. A Handgun 1 and a Concealed Carry Class would be the best place to start.
I think that would be a great start
I have really enjoyed my BJJ classes. It is probably not the best style when facing multiple attackers, but one on one it will serve you well if you stick with it. Congratulations on the weight loss!
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I’ve been involved in fighting for a few years, having been a MACP (limited hand-to-hand) instructor for the Army, as well as competing at All-Army. I’ve also been educated alot in the form of boxing, judo, and jiu-jitsu. I can honestly say, that you shouldn’t limit yourself to one discipline. You should delve into a few different arenas so you’re a bit more well-rounded. Once you experience a few different disciplines and learn a bit from each, THEN you can devote yourself to a single discipline to master. One major thing to note is that learning how to fight does NOT happen in a few weeks or a few months. This is something you’ll need to dedicate yourself to.
First, am going to let the little drill sergeant in the back of my head speak. He says, “Fuuck learning to fight. Learn how to kill. That way when you meet some dumb bastard who knows how to fight you send his soul hell.” And any one who can tell me where I am paraphrasing from gets a pat on the head.
That out of way. Damn good job losing the weight. Have a good friend who has been working to lose weight and it is not easy, He had dropped about 30 pounds before he got hit by a car. He’s doing well before I get asked.
Anyway, my personal opinion when it comes to learning to fight and martial arts, having been doing it for about twenty years now, though only on and off for the past five due to work and school, is take all the styles you can and learn everything you can. Knife work, hand to hand, and everything else. Second, find someplace that wants to teach and isn’t focused on competition since in my experience you end learning a lot of ways to score points and not so much how to handle a real fight. I have gotten the “Point for me!” response from a few of those guys over the years, usually right before I put them on the ground because they get into the habit of as soon as they connect they lower their guard, or they throw some funky ass move to reach out throwing balance to hell to actually make the connection. Some MMA joints aren’t too bad, though I seem to always find the places that either focus solely on boxing, which I find pretty useless in a bare knuckle fight, or wrestling, which I in my core cant abide, since my training from a most formal age always preached stay on your feet especially against multiple attackers.
Anyway, find something you like and learn all you can.
Krav Maga here. Nothing fancy about it (not saying the previous recommendations are).
Check it out if there is a place near you.
Either way, +1 for multiple disciplines or something like MCMAP
Actually fight? Krav Maga hands down. Just get some experience cause you have never been in a fight? Any of the assorted martial arts.
As far as classes go - Cecil Burch CMD and Southnarc(Shivworks) EWO/ECQC are both great combative classes. Of course you won’t walk away ready to take on twin Jamaican voodoo drug lords; you will have to get into a weekly, local gig.
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Totally depends on your goals.
Are you doing it for self defense? Confidence building? On the job/offensive?
BJJ is a good start since it gets a lot of fundamentals down and is pretty widespread. MMA is also good since it takes the “rolling only” mentality from BJJ and adds striking.
Without a doubt this. Also important to note that both of these gentlemen recommend BJJ when asked this question.
The best way to learn to fight, is to fight. If fist fighting is deadly force, then my brother and I used deadly force on each hundreds of times growing up. Not to mention the fights with others.
If you want to fight, you must actually fight. If you want to learn a discipline, have at it. Just be aware that fighting requires you to get hit sometimes, without gloves even (gasp!). Since I’ve grown up, I’ve only had to fight a handful of times, but I handled business even against a group attackers simply because I was used to it. I was used to taking fists to the face and giving fists to the face. I was used to dealing with someone that wanted to beat me till I didn’t fight back. Experience is the best teacher. Once you learn how to channel your “belly anger” you are golden. Some folks call it chi I think…lol
This is wise counsel. Both gentlemen are members here, and there are AAR’s of their classes as well. I’ve had the pleasure of watch Cecil Burch teach, and gained very useful insight from it. Craig Douglas (Southnarc) has a part of his training called MUC - Managing Unknown Contacts. It is extremely useful, and gets universal high marks. As do his other courses.
I’d encourage you to start checking some of the AAR’s here, and you’ll find some of the same names cropping up over and over. There a reason for that. Paul Sharp is another trainer I’m trying to fit in this year.
You can’t become a good cyclist by reading a book. You’ll never be a good swimmer by watching a DVD or Youtube clip. I’m not advocating picking a fight in a biker bar. I am advocating getting hands-on skills and practicing them as others have said.
You’re already on a good start - you have decided to get training. That’s better than 99 percent of the people out there.
I will echo everything said here and add this: if there is a school available in your area, take a look at Kung Fu San Soo. The San Soo means freestyle, and that’s just what it was for me in the years I studied it. This was around the time the very first UFC came out and we would watch all of them, then take good moves/ techniques, etc and incorporate that into what we were already learning. We spent a lot of time rolling around working with BJJ stuff after the first few UFC’s. It’s a good way to learn several styles without spending on several classes, provided you have a flexible and open minded instructor. I did.
It is NOT sport fighting. Sparring sessions are slow at first because in real time people would get hurt- bad- if they weren’t in complete control. Speeds move up as skill levels advance. FWIW, many of the higher level guys I worked with would go to the rougher bars and pick fights after class.
Congratulations on the weight loss! I’ve gained 40lbs since my KFSS days and it’s a bitch to get off once you hit the 40yo point.
This is a good thing to note, as there is essentially two different paths BJJ takes, sport and MMA. In sport jiujitsu you want to create space and maneuver, while MMA BJJ you close the distance as a way to defend yourself from strikes. Gi vs No Gi is also a big difference as it limits your ability to control an opponent by not having sleeves to roll your fingers into or a nice thick collar to choke some one with.
(Note, a Gi, sport BJJ upper belt will still snap 99.9% of the population in half easily, but there is still some distinct differences)
I’ll throw one in here. If you’re looking for a good defensive discipline look into Shotokan. It is a very close up reactionary discipline that focuses heavily on counter and strike which is useful for putting down aggressors. It brings the aggressor in very close to be effective which I found great being a short guy with t-rex arms 5-7). It would be a great defensive discipline to spend some time on in addition to the other great recommendations already mentioned.
Congrats to you on the life change. That is a major accomplishment.
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I’d like to throw my vote in with those who said learn different styles…I’ve trained in 6 different styles over the past 30 years myself (no longer training, but still practicing)…as a kid, Bruce Lee was my hero, lol…as was Ip Man (who also dabbled in mixing styles some)…I know, I know…It ain’t like it is in the movies, but that was what started what ended up being sort of a life long journey for me…too bad though, I didn’t have the means to pursue it as fully as I would have liked (training under the real masters while I was still young and full of it)
Be wary though…lots of schools will take your money and not teach you a damn thing that would be useful in the real world…good training will involve bleeding.
Always enjoyed a good fight…it sux getting old.