Last night’s debate was my first real exposure to her, and I thought she came off very well. Looking at her on the issues, nothing jumps out at me as why she’d be disliked (1) yet I know she’s not well liked in these parts. What’s her deal? RINO voting record? Other? On guns:
Secure schools with onsite police, not gun-free zones. (Jun 2023)
I don't trust government to deal with red flag laws. (Jun 2023)
Expanded concealed carry rights to bars and restaurants. (May 2023)
Make concealed weapons permits easier. (Nov 2010)
Founding fathers gave us the absolute right to bear arms. (May 2010)
She is or was pretty friendly to the guys at PTR. I haven’t seen that many elected folks openly enjoying modern rifle stuff other than Rick Perry with LaRue.
Politico has 50 points in a time line. Doesn’t tell a whole lot other than she seems smart and well balanced in her interactions. The last point is interesting.
Good read, thanx. From the debate, the link I posted, and article you posted, we could do a lot worse. She didn’t jump on the Trump train seems to be her worst offense that put her in the dog house. From the article you posted, she does come off as talking out both sides of her mouth when it comes to DJT. I can see some might dismiss her as a RINO but that does not seem to be the case as far as i can tell. I didn’t know she was a first gen Indian immigrant like Vivek.
She has been my top pick since Trump was President. Not that she would do everything like, but she would do a good job.
Then you get a guy like Vivek R on the Shawn Ryan Show who is, quite frankly, nuts. I like what he says, but it isn’t going to happen, might not even be a good idea, and won’t help him get elected.
Exactly, VR is a smart guy. He can hold a lot of facts in his head. When C. Noir asked him about machine gun ownership. All he said was sure it’s constitutional. Well that’s why some people on this forum have machine guns. He didn’t really say anything. Trump was sort of the same way. He would say “They are going to take your guns”. Well ok, that’s a true statement but he also helped to open that pathway by pushing the bumpstock ban that rolled into the pistol brace ban. He never did anything specific as an offense move to restore 2A rights that have been taken away over the decades past. VR is simply much faster and smoother with his words.
Grandpa can I have a machinegun? Sure sonny, I had one in the war. Problem is Momma is not buying sonny a machinegun no matter what Grandpa says.
I would probably vote for Nikki Haley. She seems level headed enough. Problem is I would not trust her to protect the 2A —especially— when her maternal instincts kick in as some reaction to another Liberal push resulting from another incident. I also would not trust that she would actually fight to restore rights by pushing back at ATF. Maybe she could appoint VR to head the ATF and he will let us all have newly manufactured machineguns.
I could see DeSantis taking on the ATF --maybe-- but he has to get elected first which may not be that easy.
Haley blamed Trump for the deadly Jan. 6, 2021 attack on the U.S. Capitol and suggested that the GOP would move on without him.
“I think he’s going to find himself further and further isolated,” Haley told Politico the week after the attack. “I think he’s lost any sort of political viability he was going to have… He’s not going to run for federal office again… I don’t think he’s going to be in the picture. … I don’t think he can. He’s fallen so far.”
“We need to acknowledge he let us down,”
She also slammed his plan to build a border wall and his other positions on immigration. “Republicans need to remember that the fabric of America came from these legal immigrants,” Haley, the daughter of Indian immigrants,
My concerns about Haley are the same concerns I have about everyone up there (including Vivek). How vulnerable are they to the Deep State? Vivek definitely struck a nerve with his Lockheed/Raytheon BoD comment, so there may be a kernel of truth there?
The problem as I see it is that the only candidate who’s no longer under vulnerable to the sway of the DS, is the guy who’s most likely to give the DS the exact ammo they need to torpedo him.
Not following for/not always following/drinking the MAGA Koolaid does not = RINO. Nothing there makes her a RINO per se, just not someone willing to back/support the orange guy under any and all circumstances, which suggests she’s a self thinker vs party line zombie. That’s OK by me.
Actually, her immigration position and Russia/Ukraine position do put her solidly in RINO territory. I don’t think she’s fully compromised, but she’s not doing much of anything to prove she wouldn’t be.
Everyone needs to listen to her comments in the debate and otherwise about Trump. What I hear:
he is going to face huge challenges getting elected based on overall popularity and hatred from certain circles including certain GOP
she admired him and felt it was an honor to serve as ambassador
she agreed with the majority of his platform, positions, and actions
there were some she didn’t agree with and feels passionately about them. This is where January 6th topics come up, etc.
Those are not the statements of a RINO, who are pretty consistently never trumpers. I really see the two interchangeably now. Even some of his GOP fans started as never trumpers and were rinos then and rinos now.
My gut tells me DeSantes would most govern the way I would prefer. But I think he’s got some electability issues based on the fights that he’s been picking in Florida in his campaign performance. (Though I would admit that he did better last night though still stumbled some)
I think Haley has more mainstream appeal, would attract some of the women vote, and is probably more electable.
VR is probably too much of an outsider unless lightning strikes again. But I wouldn’t feel bad with him in control and I largely agree with his platform if not every statement he’s ever made.
But even his 9/11 statements are misinterpreted and turned into hyperbole. What he said is that the commission and the FBI lied to the American people, and we know that to be the case. The Bush presidency and family ran interference for saudioperatives. You look up the specifics of “Bandar Bush” and it’ll make your hair curl.
So I think we could do worse with Haley although I’d probably prefer RDS if he could get elected.
Re: 1/6 if the tables were turned Trump would have said Haley should have been hung. The fact that she just said he’s unelectable is pretty benign.
I wouldn’t say she’s a RINO. I think she likes to win. It worries me that anyone would back Mitt R. but her doing so kept him voting mostly with R. It’s up to voters to replace him and they are not doing so. That means the other Rs have to work with him.
I also think she’s far above Pence in context of being POTUS
Pence was born stale, that’s his appeal. He’s a human crouton. It’s not that I like him, but one of the few times I liked V is when he took on Pence and his rosy outlook in the US. Pence is wrong about it being all good in the US. We are at a very dangerous time, if he can’t see that he isn’t fit for the job.
I don’t trust her. She’s demonstrated a willingness to throw America’s service, sacrifice and heritage under the bus, and those who honor it, for political expediency. And she’s fond of chiming in with the Left smearing others as haters and racists if she thinks it serves her.
A couple examples…
Haley supported removal of the Confederate flag after the Dylann Roof shooting: “But you know people saw it as service, and sacrifice and heritage – but once he [Dylan Roof] did that, there was no way to overcome it.” Fast forward to today… "Today’s outrage culture does not allow any gestures to the other side. It demands that we declare winners and losers. Sadly, I’m not sure that in today’s political climate we would have been able to remove the flag.”
Haley smears protesters regarding tearing down statues: “The Charlottesville marchers’ intention was to create division and hate, just like the Charleston killer.”
Haley smears Trump with the KKK: “I will not stop until we fight a man that chooses not to disavow the KKK,” Haley continued. “That is not a part of our party, that is not who we want as president. We will not allow that in our country.”
Who or what will be Haley’s future ‘gestures’ to the ‘other side’, and targets for smear? Maybe you.
She bends over to the left every time she can… No spine and plays WOKE Games
[i]The story of Nikki Haley and the Confederate flag
Nikki Haley formally launched her campaign for president on Wednesday, a day after announcing it via video. The former South Carolina governor and U.N. ambassador (who earned strong bipartisan marks for her performance in that role) is now the second major declared candidate for 2024, joining Donald Trump in the race.
In 2015, Haley put herself on the national political map with her response to a racist mass killing at a historically Black church in Charleston, in which she called for the removal of the Confederate flag from the State House grounds. The state soon did so, with legislators voting in favor of the move by overwhelming margins, despite previous polls that showed strong public support for the flag remaining there.[/i]
