LE- Choosing a Sidearm, 220 or 229?

Forgive me if you have seen this on another forum…
At the risk of beating a dead horse, I will present my dilemma. I have no intention of starting a caliber war here, just merely trying to receive some input that will help me make a choice. I am an LEO that has a choice of the Sig P series pistols (220, 229, 226) as a service sidearm. My choices in caliber ar 9mm, .40, and .45. I have carried all 3 platforms listed as well as all 3 calibers at one time or another. However, I am faced with choosing the weapon I would like to carry for the rest of my career, and will have to purchase nylon and leather duty gear. Maybe you can give me some input as I “think aloud” here:

My job takes me to areas that are often quite remote (backcountry), and surprisingly to areas that are sometimes very urban (downtown). I often work alone with little or no backup. I often work in areas where I may run into large critters (bear, elk, moose, etc.)and sometimes make a lot of contacts with people when I am working on the road. I sometimes have to put animals down with my sidearm, because they have been hit by vehicles on the roadway (yes, not ideal, but sometimes the situation negates the use of a longarm).

I currently carry a Sig P220 .45. Recently, I have had some misgivings about the 220, although I have carried it less than a year now. I don’t feel I shoot it as well as the .40 or 9mm at this point, although I have no problem qualifying with the .45. I am not just referring to accuracy here. I think I am a little slower from the holster to my first shot (anticipating recoil?). My magazine exchanges seem to be slower with the singlestack mags, and I seem to have more dexterity issues (fumbling) than with the doublestack mags I am so used to. For me, it seems harder to seat the singlestack mags at speed, and they sometimes seem to hang up when I hit the mag release. This may be due to me canting the gun over to the side in order to load a mag? I practice fairly often off-duty and not just when my department sends me to the range.

Modern law enforcement seems to dictate higher capacity pistols, or carrying more rounds. A quad-stack mag carrier seems to be quite a load. Real or perceived, a loaded 220 seems to weigh pretty heavy on my hip compared a to a 229. However, I have never had the opportunity to weigh a loaded 220 or 229. I do know that I now have pain in my right hip (sciatic?), and am considering weighs to reduce weight on my belt. Furthermore, the 220 seems to be harder for me to conceal when I am plain-clothes or off-duty.

Realistically, I know that most gun battles are a quick affair that occur up-close, that are over in a few seconds with only a few shots fired. However, I often think of worst-case scenarios (ex. North Hollywood bank robbery). I sometimes think I would be better off with the higher capacity mags of the 229 in .40, rather than the 7 or 8 rounders for the 220. I have trained under stress and found that magazine exchanges are not what you want to be thinking about under fire. There seems to be little difference in “stopping power” (for lack of a better term) between .40 and .45, particularly with modern, high-quality hollowpoint ammunition. But those 230 grain +P Federal Premium HSTs seem to keep calling me.

So, my choices are either to stick with the 220 I currently carry, or request a .40 cal 229. A .40 cal 226 is really attractive to me, but it is only available to ME in 9mm. I am about to embark on several weeks of training that will include a lot of range time. I am debating forcing myself to learn the 220 during this time, or going to the 229 which feels more natural to me. Your thoughts are appreciated. I would especially like to hear from those people that carry a sidearm for a living, or have in the past. I know I may be overthinking all of this, but to me it is a serious choice.

Anybody?

Go to SIGorum and ask this question. You most likely will get the answer, buy what you shoot best. Personally, I’d go with the 229. I love my 220, but I feel the 229 is a better duty pistol. Just my .02 and worth every penny.

I’ve carried both, but not “for a living” as indicated in your initial post. That’s why I didn’t respond.

Short answers:
[ul][li] The two guns weigh almost exactly the same (within an ounce).
[/li][li] The P229 is considerably smaller in muzzle length and slightly shorter in butt length.
[/li][li] The P229 has 50% higher capacity.
[/li][li] The P220 has a reputation for being one of the most accurate out of the box guns on the market.
[/li][/ul]

Of the two, I’d definitely choose the P229, primarily for the higher capacity.

It sounds like you have multiple reasons why the 229 or 226 would be better for you and only one reason to stick with the 220…the fact that it’s a .45.

The choice seems pretty clear to me. :smiley:

This is a tricky question! Personally I would go 226 or 220 since I hate the .40 round. Another question would be which feels better to you, and since they are all sigs they should all be pretty comfortable in your hand since sig has the best grip shape then any other pistol I have ever shot! If it were me I would go with the 226 because of higher capacity! The 9mm can do a lot of damge just as long as your not having to follow dumb ass military law and use FMJ and I have never felt doubt that it will take down someone if I needed to! personally I like the Win Ranger 147 gr, its what I use in my glock for my CCW. which ever of the 3 you choose will serve you well so feel confident in that!:wink:

i have a 229 in 9mm. it was factory refurbished as it was turned in by our local SSD (SWAT) team. it’s run without a hitch for the last 9 years. i think it has a great balance of ergonomics, capacity, and size. it’s the only SIG that i want to own, besides a 210, of course.

Try to borrow a 229 and do a comparison shoot. I carried a 229 for a couple of years but gave it up due to my hand size. The 220 feels a lot better for my smaller hands. I never had a problem qualifying but I had the same uneasiness you describe with your 220. FWIW, it may be my imagination but the 45 caliber guns I have seem to have a softer recoil impulse than the 40 caliber guns.

I had feed problems with my 229 after about the first 500 rounds. I sent it off to Sig and they replaced the springs and reshaped the feed ramp and the gun has fired around two thousand since without a single malfunction. It’s a good gun but I wish it fit my hand better.

You are right, it is a serious choice. Try to get your hands on all three before you make the decision.

I carry the P229 ( in .357) for a living. I really like the pistol. It’s compact, carries well in a uniform, is extremely accurate and if needed easy to conceal. We have not had any mechanical issues with the pistol. However, I wish they would have given us choice between the P226 and the P229. I personally like the size and longer sight radius of the P226. Caliber, well I’m not going to talk about that. With the ammunition technology that is out there today I think you will be okay with either, as long as they provide you with a good bullet and you do your part.

Good luck in your decision.

I’ve owned multiple versions of all the pistols you’ve considered, in multiple calibers (9mm P220, .45 P220, .40 P229, .357 P229). Out of all of them, for various reasons, the one that’s been a keeper is the P229, with both .347 and .40 barrels, with the DAK action.

Given your urban/country/animal put-down requirements, I’d recommend the P229 in .40. I also think that the P229 in general has a better balance and is easier to carry (either in open uniform carry or in a concealed mode) than the P220.

Although it may not be an option for you, a P229 chambered in .357 SIG sounds like it could be an ideal option as well.

Best, Jon

Definitely try and shoot all three. I carried the P226 in 9mm as a personal weapon for a couple years. I carried both the P229 in 40 and a P220 on duty as a street cop. When I started, I was forced into the P229. It felt awkward in my hand and I had to work with it, but I was able to get good with it. As soon as I could I switched to the P220, only because it felt better and I shot it better. If you are comfortable with the P229, great.

With those experiences in mind, I would be torn between the P226 in 9mm and the P229 in 40. Both are solid choices. I would lean towards the P226 only because I find them more comfortable. The current crop of P220’s are apparently having issues and I would opt for the increased capacity of the P229/P226. Carrying that quad mag pouch for the P220 is no way to reduce weight on the belt! Trust me!

Thanks guys…lots of great comments! I am swamped…I will try to reply as I can find time. Work is killing me right now!:confused:

I’m really happy with my 229 .40 SAS DAK. I just passed the 1,000 round mark and it has fed everything I’ve stuffed into the magazine . The DAK trigger took a bit of familiarization and I still dont care for the short reset mode but as long as I shoot it like I would my D Model Beretta 92 I Love it. I bought this pistol because my agency is in a transition phase from the Beretta 92D to the Sig 229 and as a firearms instructor I felt that it was my responsibility to be familiar with the weapon before we recieved them. My only other experience with SIG was a 220 and I experienced all of the issues that you spoke of so I was less than thrilled with the selection of the 229 but now after firing it I have to say that barring the teething problems that some departments are having with SIG it was a great choice.

You need to figure out which one you are more comfortable with and which one you shoot better.

Does your 220 have a stamped steel slide or stainless slide? Some of the newer 220’s with the stamped steel slide and internal extractor have been suffering malfunctions after around 500 rounds or so. If your 220 works and works well for you then why change?

The 229 is smaller and fatter, but the weight is very similar. Make sure it fits your hand and you like the way it shoots before you try to make the switch.

Both are good guns and have the positives and negatives. It truly comes down to your own personal preference.

I’ve owned both.

IMO, the P229 (in .40) was better, all around, than the P220.

Better size (works for duty, works for concealment), higher capacity.

If you HAVE to have a P22x, and you have small hands, such that the grip of the 226/8/9 is too much for you, that’s the only reason I can find to select the P220.

Of the choices you have, I’d personally select:

  1. 9 mm P226

  2. .40 P229

  3. .45 ACP P220–last choice by far.

In the Sig platform I believe that 9mm is the caliber, so that would be the P226 loaded with 125 grain 9mm LE ammo…

If you want a .40, I would suggest a Glock 35… It is the only Glock designed as a .40 from the get go (what I carry at work)… Most other Glock 40s are just bored out 9mms and can have issues with muzzle flip and some accessories…

If you want a big bore 45 for duty use that can handle 230 grain +P ammo, I still recommend the Smith & Wesson 4506 over all others…

Just my .02

B

P229 in .40…the DAK or DA/SA are great guns. I have both!!

I would take the P220 any day of the week. In fact I own two of them.

I have carried all three. I started with the P220, then the P226 and next the P229. Finally I went back to the P226. Why? 1.) The P226 fit my hand the best. 2.) I was working grave yard shift in a small town(pop. 4000+/- ) by myself. I wanted all the firepower I could get.