I don’t particularly need another rail, but for the price I may just buy one to have.
Were you in a class for a department when you were told that, or was this you as a customer? Not calling you a liar by any stretch, but I’ve heard different from him and from another person, but I was not in the capacity of a customer. I’ll also point out that I’m not calling Ken a liar either. There are plenty of reasons that can be given to different persons.
I have piles of rails on hand (other companies) If you like what they look like, and the company, you might as well. The price is certainly low.
Sure as hell sounds like you are calling me a liar in a passive aggressive way. I guess my email from Ken stating that he only does factory Colt barrel nuts or Larue rails isn’t good enough for you.
I have no idea what Ken told you or anyone else, just what he told me. Whether he still holds to that policy, I have no idea. Hell, if he gets a big order from some department, he might put on whatever they want, but for me, he gave me the two choices.
I dont have piles but I have a few, and this certainly doesn’t sting as much as some of the Knights rail’s ive “had to have.”
Chill out! He said he wasn’t calling you a liar, that he had heard something different from the guy. Apparently he talks out of both sides of his mouth.
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He didn’t need to use the word liar. Though not surprised he did.
Got the email myself today and think they should be a good option at that price point. We know that mounting system is solid as they have used it for years and larue has a good history of making a quality product(despite what you may or may not think about Mr. Larue himself). Having a deal where they will discount the trigger a few more bucks is a smart move as well.
One thing I will say is that I wish they use mlok slots all the way back on the lat on the angles sides. Now I get it that function wise this isn’t a big deal but for looks I think it’d be better.
I don’t really have the need personally for another ar-15 but could see myself looking at one of these rails if I did. I wonder what they weigh?
Anyone has instructions in pdf or youtube link on how to install those rails/barrel nut? I’m familiar with the standard GI and aftermarket Geissele/BCM/Centurion barrel nuts/install, but not with Larue. Are they easy to install/remove or require some stupid red loctite on the outside of the barrel nut (aka Midwest industries) or KAC URX difficulty?
I found this last night. You will have to scroll down to the post dated 3/1/2005 11:02:32 AM CST.
Holy crap, I just went and looked at the price on these. $10/inch? No one else touches that for a quality product.
What’s the deal with his attachment method? Just looks different from anything I’ve used.
Also, though the flat face of the MBT-2S trigger really should have the edges rounded out, an $80 price tag is outstanding.
I happen to love capitalism and what it does for the consumer, even when that means Amazon (or Larue) loses money for a while to gain market share. It’s business, and we win.
But not having the hand guard reach all the way to the receiver looks super funky.
As stated by others, it looks like he is trying to gain a significant market share, and this is simply an extension of what he started with the MBT price reduction. In a soft AR market he wants to set himself up as a “top of mind” retailer with a majority of buyers. It kind of reminds me of that “buy one car get one free” sale that Kia ran some years back. Prior to that you didn’t see many of them anywhere, now you see Kias all over the place.
Looks weird in 2019 for sure, but you couldn’t swing a dead cat without hitting a Larue rail somewhere in 2009. Everything is cyclical I guess. There’s a good chance I’ll pick one up.
Didn’t sound like Stick was calling you a liar, or being passive aggressive 
Mark went out to prove he can make a better trigger (wire EDM vs cast) for less, and G customers have been over paying all these years. As to him losing money, I don’t know, but I suspect he isn’t, he may be making a lot less at $87 but I doubt a business would bleed money just to spite a competitor for as long as Mark has been selling MBT for $87.
Mark is a grown up and doesn’t need me or anyone else telling him how to run his successful business. We do share something in common for good reasons if you’ve been paying attention.
Ken told me the same, as a customer, in an email, with the exception that he DOES also use the DD RIS II rails (non FSB models). HOWEVER, he never told me that only the Larue, DD or Colt barrel nuts were robust enough, just that those were all he uses, and that he DOES NOT use Geissele due to the rail moving on the barrel nut. No further elaboration by him.
Thank you @Renegade04
That was pretty well-written, I read through it all even though I’ve put together a few. Thanks for the link.
ETA: Look at the way he attached the A2 FSB on a new barrel - anyone ever seen the set screws from the side technique? Was that the way in 2005?
I think you both have nailed it.
Headache, I don’t know about KIA quality way back when, but my wife’s Sorento, bought new in 2017, is a good quality ride. We looked at it in the first place because of CR’s rating of it and crash test results. Very happy, I’m sure when her turn for a new vehicle rolls up in 5 years, she’ll probably want another.
There is something about some folks that I really don’t understand - they can’t fathom that different business models can offer comparable products at differing prices. This is especially true of a standardized item such as the M4.
Going back to the example of cars - I’ve been shopping for another truck. Everyone needs two, right? I’ve been Dodge-centric since 1973 when I bought my first Power Wagon. As I was driving past the Toyota dealer I noticed a Tundra on their lot that was nearly the color blue of my first Power Wagon. I pulled in to look at it and quickly saw that it stickered at $9,000 less than a comparable Ram which I had just looked at, plus the CrewMax cab has almost double the backseat legroom.
How does that happen? A lot of variables, all of them NOT quality based.
Why did they not machine MLOK at the 10:30 and 1:30 positions for the entire length?
Oh, I don’t know…$10 an inch maybe? Machine time/tooling is MONEY…Then it’s $15 an inch- like everyone else…