I think your .308 OBR experience is the exception, rather than the rule with LaRue’s customer service/shipping efficiency. Now that the .308 OBR’s are in full production, they seem to have gotten the whole order placed/order shipped thing running smoothly.
Every single one of my many orders placed thru the LaRue site or over the phone have been handled efficiently & smoothly.
They fixed it, yet they still don’t stake the castle nut. It’s obvious to me that they did something. When I viewed them yesterday pic#4 clearly showed it was installed wrong.
Pic#4 is now pic#9. Why people still insist on not staking or forgetting to do so when they are selling the “best AR since sliced bread” for 2000.00 is beyond me.
It was staked yesterday…just on backwards.
I don’t know about it. I’m a big fan of their mounts…but I’m not exactly filled with confidence that they’ve got their ducks in a row as to having assemblers who understand how build a rifle from the ground up.
Chances are that once they realized the mistake yesterday they rushed another one to the photographer so that the mistake was visible for the least amount of time…and of course in the rush had another mistake happen.
ETA:Some of the early pictures of the DDM4 had it without staking as well, but as far as I know all of the guns that actually shipped got a decent whack. I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt here…but of the long list of things I want to buy(plenty of which is on Larue’s site,) this isn’t on it.
Oh I have no problem with their order handling normally, but the OBR release was a giant clusterf*^k of a release, and now having shot one I’m glad I didn’t get one, it’s not the right gun for what I wanted anyways.
I never had a problem with Larue (Mark specifically) until after being very patient I finally decided to call and cancel my order. Without any attitude, or pretense, I thanked them for their time, said I was canceling my order since they had no realistic ETA, and wished them the best of luck. How did they take it? Well a week or so later Mark Larue is making a post on TOS calling me impatient and name checking me for buying an SR-25.
Whatever, Mark. Best of luck, for 2000 bucks I bet it’ll be heavy, but machined to perfection. I’d rather rock a BCM or KAC upper.
I believe that I read that the OBR uses a proprietary barrel extension, however. There is some discussion about this on TOS.
There is a place for a heavier SS barreled gun but not for what most people are using guns for. Im very happy with my Stealth for what I use it for. With the built in MOA cant on the OBR series I think that is kinda saying its a “precision” gun not a run and gun blaster, and for that weight doesn’t really matter as much as it does with other setups. I wouldn’t want to run it in a class but then again none of the guns I would do that with are shooting quarter size 10 shot groups.
I wonder if they are gonna pull the ‘You have 3 days notice, and the price is going up $500 bucks to $2500’ thing like they did with the OBR…except that was $2500 to $3000…:rolleyes:
I have one of their 12" stealth uppers, shortest one they offer, which I’m trying to sell. And despite the size it’s heavier than my SR-15 at 16".
I used it for Day 1 of Magpul Carbine 1, that was the last time I did so, it’s just pig heavy. As in really heavy.
I handled this at Shot Show quite a bit. I also handled several weapon by LWRCi, the ACR and some of the M4s at the Magpul booth (they were all within 250 feet of each other). Didn’t notice the weight at all compared to the other guns and the balance overall was far nicer than the ACR.
I used to rock a 16" MRP. SS barrel, etc, built by the fine folks at MSTN and later “tuned up” by the Magpul Dynamics guys. I ran that for around 2-3 classes and switched over to a Noveske Afghan(with a DD RISII hand guard).
I’ve had little time to shoot that unfortunately, but I have dry fired that thing for about 2 hours a week for the past year. It also had a SS barrel. No issues with weight.
I am selling that for this now.
Not sure if this will be better but I really liked the hand guard and design of this weapon. Granted it was called the OBR Lite at the time and it’s been renamed…but it appears to be exactly what was at Shot.
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So its a stealth with a new handguard and a top rail that requires special optics mounts? 
Yeah, I really like the new Rail. Very nice,
From my limited interactions and debates, Mark strikes me as the following type of individual (which speaks a lot about the company):
He’s good at making functional, practical mounts and he’ll stand behind what he’s good at doing 100%. What he’s not good at is updating and evolving his designs or at making non-mount products, nor does he take kindly to anyone saying that his products are second to another (nor equal, for that matter). Ironically, that’s exactly what put ARMS in the place that they’re in (aside from their owner, Dick Swan).
I’ve had numerous debates with him, namely over Bobro mounts. For those that have used Larue mounts, I’m sure you’re well aware that the mounts will, over time, remove anodizing from your rails and can make them look like someone took a file to the underside of your receiver. The Bobro mounts solved this common issue by making mounts that work off of spring compression and indexing tabs. They do everything a Larue does… and they do it in a cleaner, more refined manner. Of course, Mark would not let anyone post a comparison and resorted to name-calling (something about “sissies afraid to get their rails scratched”) when the strengths of the Bobro were pointed out. He just did the same thing this past week to BiggerStick47 - moderators had to edit Mark’s posts for irrelevant insults / off-topic remarks.
Don’t get me wrong, rifles get scratched/worn/marred with use, but if you could built a better mount that doesn’t remove your anodizing in the process, then why not? It seems that Larue, however quality their mounts might be, are simply a niche company that isn’t doing anything to improve their designs nor are they interested in hearing valid feedback from their customers who they don’t have .mil contracts with (not to be confused with their warranty or overall service - they are good at that). That’s fine with me, I’ve simply been sold on other companies that do, and I know MANY others that have done the same.
This isn’t a bash Mark fest - it’s simply my experiences with him and the shortcomings of their products and they seem to mirror Titleist’s post.
In light of that, I truly doubt that the OBR is refined, especially considering (IIRC) it was originally designed as a 7.62 platform. To me, it seems more about branding than some revolutionary Larue design. I’d pass on the rifle and get a KAC or another Noveske for that kind of cash.
Really do not know where you came up with that unless you just have personal issues with LaRue. after vising Magpul’s booth at Shot we went to LaRue’s and the OBR Lite was a dream to handle, in fact it was lighter and easier to mount/swing from target to target than some of the AR’s Magpul had on display.
My biggest disappointment in stopping at the LaRue booth was it was so small/tucked back in a corner & ya had to wait in line behind some serious shooters to get to examine the displays But we came away with 2 dillos and a calender so I’m not bitching in the least 
If I did not already have a Stealth (and LaRue lower) ya can bet I’d have a OBR Lite on order as it’s one hell of a kick ass weapon.
I used my hands and arms 
At the time of SHOT I had my own 7.62 OBR on order, so I would say safely that I didn’t have any issues with LaRue at that time of handling that rifle.
Wow, Mark started a thread on TOS specifically trash talking me. I feel the love.
Just enjoy your weekend man…nothing you can do about it…
I’ll bet you an unopened bottle of Lawry’s Seasoning Salt you still get a postcard at Christmas.
You discerned this by mere handling the weapon for a few minutes?
Like it or not stainless medium profile barrels are a lot heavier than even gov profile, and especially SR15 profile. The fanbois on TOS crack me up saying to go lift some weights. All else being equal the lighter gun transitions from target to target quicker. Go take a shot timer, do some drills, and see which is quicker. Ive done it, and the SR15 cuts down on time.
As I said I like my Stealth for what I use it for but its never going to be as handy or as quick as my SR15. You can’t defeat physics, and it goes to Newton’s Law. It doesn’t matter how strong you are the heavier gun is going to take more energy to get it moving, and more energy to get it stopped.
A gun like the OBR Lite fills a certain role, and thats it. Mark can feel someone pissed in his Cheerios for pointing that out but its the truth. Last I checked LT products still conform to the laws of physics. Anyone can drag around a 10lb gun, and make shots but thats not the point. Different setups are more ideal for different scenarios and uses.
The OBR looks fantastic. Might be the best looking modern AR/Stoner platform rifle out there.
But I think I am missing the overall point.
In the end, is this just not a AR with proprietary upper/handguard/rail system?
Not trying to diminish it. Just seems more like a direct competitor to a Noveske SS VIS and little else?
Am I missing something critical?
I’m looking forward to picking one of these up. This a precision oriented gun, as most stainless barrel rifles are. The design of the upper/rail/monolithic system seems interesting. I think this will prove to be an excellent recce or spr type rifle.
It all depends on how you use a rifle, I shoot 3-Gun and can appreciate the added accuracy. On average you’ll get around 10K out of a stainless barrel, before accuracy degrades. I think it would like to see one of these with something like a Noveske N4 barrel.
The Noveske SS VIS is the cat’s ass IMHO and I liked this better than my VIS set up.
But as you can see from this thread, YMMV. I’ve never owned a Knight’s gun. They look cool as hell and they are ultra light, but they are also quite a bit more than these. As I recall the MD ultra light carbine was in the $2800 range?
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