Know anything about the USDB?

United States Disciplinary Barracks, Ft. Leavenworth, KS. (not to be confused with the “regular” federal prison there)

Little homo Manning is going there so I got to thinking about it. Looked around online but there isn’t much info. Did read a letter on a link from prisonplanet (never again!) and they were saying that things are pretty tightly run there…like to the point where prison rape isn’t common at all. Sounds like if you’re gonna be locked up you’re better off being there than a regular penitentiary.

I remember seeing a thing on TV a few years back about the USDB and they wear dyed brown BDU’s and must keep military decorum.

“Famous” inmates include that douchebag Akbar (grenaded his own guys just before OIF kicked off) and Steven Schap (beheaded the soldier who got his wife pregnant and then dropped his head on her hospital bed!).

I’ve heard it’s not a nice place to be. Very strict.

No doubt I wouldn’t want to be there but the bolded part is why you’re likely safer there than your run-of-the-mill prison with gangs and Deliverance style interactions. :rolleyes:

I know someone who used to work there. IIRC he told me that unlike most federal and state prisons most prisoners were kept in individual cells. There was very little interaction among the prisoners and things are much stricter. Prisoners had to answer with “yes sir” and “no sir” type of stuff. When a CO walked by they would have to get up against the wall and stand at attention until they passed. It was highly disciplined and anyone that got out of line was dealt with immediately.

Whether or not this is true I can’t comment. But, I did take someone to the stockade in Mannheim Germany and it was not a joyous place by any means.

I have a buddy who is a retired SgtMaj and he took a guy to Mannheim once back in the 70’s. He said when he turned over custody to the MP’s there the prisoner didn’t put his feet exactly where they said to and he got slammed—face first—into the wall as a reminder.

My SSG and I transported a prisoner to the old stockade at Ascom, ROK back in '73. Going in he was one of the most insolent soldiers I had ever seen. I saw him there couple weeks later (still in the stockade) and he was a model soldier… the transition was nothing short of remarkable.

A friend of mine took 32 Soldiers back from Germany to USDB in about 79 or so. Alone. He makes quite the story out of it. Says the guards beat the shit out of the first one that looked at him to put the fear of God into all of them, and they were told that if they ran while they were in the airport terminal they would be killed.

The way he describes the barracks itself is mostly to say that the COs are about as loving as DIs.

The Joint Regional Correctional Facility (formerly the United States Disciplinary Barracks, Fort Leavenworth) is a few miles away from (and not to be confused with) the Leavenworth Federal Penitentiary (“The Big House”).

The JRCF USDB is run by military bulls. The Pen by US Bureau of Prisons (Department of Justice feds).

Discipline is strictly military. Manning will not receive his Dishonorable Discharge until after time spent.

The last time I toured there the NCOIC stated, “We have prisoners here from Cadet/Midshipman and Sergeant Major through Colonel, mostly for sex, narcotics, and fraud convictions.”

The United States Penitentiary (USP) Leavenworth was the largest maximum security federal prison in the United States from 1903 until 2005. It became a medium security prison in 2005. It is located in Leavenworth, Kansas. The civilian USP Leavenworth is one of two major prisons built on the grounds of Fort Leavenworth. The United States Disciplinary Barracks is four miles north and is the sole maximum-security penal facility of the United States Military. The prisons operate independently of each other.

Leavenworth prison: Bradley Manning will join some 500 prisoners at the Leavenworth military prison. Life at Leavenworth means a 40-hour workweek. And inmates have access to playing cards, board games and television.

By John Hanna, Associated Press / August 22, 2013
TOPEKA, KANSAS

After being sentenced to 35 years in prison for leaking classified documents to the anti-secrecy website WikiLeaks, Pfc. Bradley Manning is headed for hard time at Fort Leavenworth, home to the American military’s most famous prison.

The Army penitentiary has shed its once-imposing stone edifice, but inside Manning would confront a dreary, unchanging environment where inmates are highly restricted, graveyard work shifts are common and jobs pay just pennies per hour.

The judge did not say where Manning would serve his time, but his attorney David Coombs confirmed he was going there.

Manning already has spent time in Leavenworth alongside the military’s worst criminals. Here’s a look inside.

A PRISON TOWN

For generations, Leavenworth — a city of 35,000 just west of Kanas City, Missouri — has had an ominous place in pop culture. The name alone conjures images of chain gangs of prisoners in zebra-striped uniforms cracking rocks with pick axes — all under the gaze of cold-eyed guards atop watch towers.

Hollywood’s license notwithstanding, this city and the surrounding area are largely defined by the business of incarceration. Near the military barracks is the U.S. Penitentiary in Leavenworth, a federal prison known for its “Big House.” Not far away in Lansing is the state’s oldest prison, where the two men convicted of the Kansas killings that inspired the book “In Cold Blood” were hanged in 1965.

Fort Leavenworth’s former Disciplinary Barracks, an imposing structure overlooking the Missouri River, was once known as “The Castle.”

But some of the architecture at the military’s current Disciplinary Barracks, which opened in 2002, seems more like a modern community college built on a landscape of rolling hills. Cells are built in pods around a common area.


A STORIED PRISON HISTORY

The military built its first prison at Fort Leavenworth in the 1870s, and “The Castle” that so dominated the Army post’s landscape for decades held as many as 1,500 prisoners. The current prison is much smaller, with 515 beds.

Leavenworth had its share of famous inmates.

It housed Mennonites who objected to military service during World War I, and 14 German prisoners from World War II were hanged there in 1945 for murdering other POWs they believed were traitors.

The old prison also housed Lt. William Calley, who was convicted of murder over the My Lai Massacre in 1968 during the Vietnam War, and famed boxer Rocky Graziano, who received a nine-month sentence during World War II for going absent without leave after punching an officer.

Manning could add to the list, as could Maj. Nidal Hasan, who is on trial in the 2009 attack on Fort Hood that killed 13 people and wounded more than 30.

The inmates include ranks as high as lieutenant colonel. Fort Leavenworth said five service members are on death row, including, Hasan Akbar, convicted for the 2003 murder of two Army officers in Kuwait.

The prison also is where Sgt. Robert Bales will be housed after being convicted of killing 16 Afghan civilians during nighttime raids in 2012.


A REPETITIVE AND REGIMENTED LIFE

Leavenworth inmates will spend an average of 19 years behind bars.

Raelean Finch, a former Army captain who visits the barracks regularly, described life inside as “monotonous.”

The prison’s daily routines are “fairly repetitive, restrictive, and militarized,” said Anita Gorecki-Robbins, a Washington military defense lawyer. And inmates have no Internet access.

Army regulations require prisoners to do “a full day of useful, constructive work” and a 40-hour workweek. Prisoners have maintenance, warehouse, laundry and kitchen details but also have access to multiple vocational training programs, including graphic arts and barbering.

An inmate’s daily schedule — when he rises and sleeps — depends upon when he works. There is a graveyard shift and working it allows an inmate to sleep until early afternoon, Finch said.

Finch co-authors a blog, “Captain Incarcerated,” with an inmate she identifies only as “Russ” because she doesn’t not want postings to affect his prospects for parole. Depending on how they’re classified after arriving, inmates often are required to spend only six hours a day — or even none — in their cells, she said.

That would contrast with Manning’s past incarceration at the Marine Corps brig in Quantico, Virginia, where he was confined in a windowless 6-by-8-foot cell for 23 hours a day. Sometimes, all his clothing, including underwear, was removed from his cell, along with his glasses and reading material. The Pentagon defended his treatment, saying it was designed to prevent him from committing suicide.


SPARTAN LIVING QUARTERS

A photo of a typical cell in the Leavenworth barracks shows a well-lit but austere space, with a bunk and a desk and a metal toilet-and-sink unit. On her blog, Finch’s co-author described beginning his incarceration in a 6-by-9-foot (1.5 meter by 2.765-meter) cell with cinderblock walls and a green steel door.

“It is dreary,” Gorecki-Robbins said.

Inmates have access to playing cards, board games and television. The prison has craft and music rooms, and recreational activities, including weightlifting and playing basketball, flag football and ping pong. Both Finch and Gorecki-Robbins said seating for television or movies shown by the prison is determined by an inmate’s social status, with the inmate with the highest ranking sitting front and center and newcomers taking seats in the back.

Uniforms are brown, usually worn and “heavily starched,” Finch said. Inmates can buy their own shoes, she said, and that’s where their fashion individuality shows.

Inmates are paid just pennies an hour for their work, Finch said. People outside the prison can send them money orders, though they’re limited to spending $80 a month, she said.

Visitors can come any day of the week, according to post officials, though hours on weekdays are limited to the evenings. There are no conjugal visits.


NOT AS ROUGH AS OTHER LOCKUPS?

Both Finch and Gorecki-Robbins said many inmates perceive the Leavenworth barracks as safer than civilian prisons run by states and the federal government — and better kept.

“It’s presided over by military folks,” Finch said. “These are people who cleaned bathrooms with a toothbrush during basic training.”


Associated Press Writer John Milburn contributed to this report.

Copyright 2013 The Associated Press.

Sinister,

Awesome post! That confirms what I had heard about the relative safety of the USDB. Your chances of getting shanked or cornholed are MUCH lower than at a state or federal penitentiary.

Something tells me you don’t see Crips, Bloods, or the Aryan idiots flashing signs there!

Hmm perhaps the rest of our correctional system could take a few pointers. Sounds downright hellish.

Thanks for the info Sinister.

I sincerely hope “Chelsea” Manning enjoy’s ‘her’ stay…

And the Supreme court would be flooded with civil suits of cruel and unusual punishment.
“But, judge I don’t get my Playstation and play super cop murder 11 and I had to work and I couldn’t talk with my Bros on how to be a better criminal they infringing on me rights to be a criminal!”

Though I do think it would help in regards to some degree of rehabilitation. My two cents there.

On a more humorous note, down here in Georgia they have corn hole tournaments. :slight_smile: Not what we are referring to here, but one usually does a double take when driving past a sign stating that. And Atlanta is what first or second in country for gays?

Actually, what would be more “hellish”: relative safety, doing your time albeit in a stricter environment, or constantly looking over your shoulder and having to “buddy-up” to some gang?

Yeah, this would be an EXCELLENT model for correctional institutions here in the U.S. Cut out all the gangs, drugs, sodomy, and generally building a more adept criminal while incarcerated.

Hell, they have shift work, i.e. a night shift! Whoda thunk it? Talk about grooming a prisoner for real life when they get out.

One thing to remember about military prisons. Even though many are sent there for not being able to conform to military standards, there is still that baseline discipline instilled in them from basic training. So there is a major difference in a career criminal from society that grew up having no instilled values, no discipline, no morality, no mentor figures and generally no hope of reformation and someone who was instilled some form of basic values, adherence to rules and regulations and some discipline via military service. While it might not have taken fully, there is still that indoctrination in the back of their minds.

Different breed of criminal so to speak. While yes, military criminals have flaunted the law in some form or fashion and generally are comparable to their civilian counterparts, there is still the fact of some lingering imprint of military discipline and values in a lot of them. So the big problems you have in standard prisons are typically absent from military correctional institutions. Difference being? Instilled discipline.

I’m not sure if there are stats on offenders that serve time in a military correctional institution and go on to become repeat offenders. Would be interesting to see how many are reformed in military corrections versus civilian corrections.