I am going to vote for Kac. the only one of those rifles I have not owned is the DD. I did shoot one at class and did not care much for weight, or trigger.
I also run geissle and kac triggers, along with NSR rails. the kac shoots better than any other rifle I have shot. this is not saying the others are bad, it’s just a cut above all the others. I also own a Noveske, which you might want to consider. But for the price of a Nov, you can get a kac.
Do not let the proprietary parts thing hinder your decision if you are even close to thinking about one. If you can find someone who owns one, go shoot it, but be warned !!! you will end up buying one. There is that much difference is how it shoots. While they are not the most accurate, they are the best shooters. If you want accuracy, go Noveske.
My brothers kac is a tac driver tho. he can almost out shoot me using his m4s vs my short dot.
If :moil::moil::moil::moil::moil::moil: you can get the Kac that cheap. don’t walk, RUN !!! to the store to get it. I would even take another at that price.
Dealer cost rocks. Just buy the KAC. Or buy the tavor, flip it for $2200, and then buy the KAC.
DD’s are nice but nothing special, after owning a V3 and stepping up to a SR15 I would have a hard time going back to the DD, or I’d put more than the difference in price to upgrade it to match the KAC’s features.
Please do not forget to consider LMT. The MRP is a fine firearm.
That said, with the current choices, i’d say either the KAC or the DD will be great rifles. Seeing as I am an unfortunate soul from Kalifornia, I have no experience with KAC.
Also, never buy a bullpup unless you have an affinity for ugly guns and bad triggers.
I can run a mini-14 better than a lot of guys can run an AR. I also can put head shots consistently on target with a mini-14 at 100 yards. The recoil impulses and action motion on a mini-14 are milder than an AR, so most people will be able to shoot a mini-14 faster and more accurately than a stock AR. they get a bad rap on this forum, most likely from guys who haven’t run a few hundred rounds through them. I understand buying good ARs. I bought a BCM because of the knowledge I gained on this forum, however if the Tavor runs like a mini-14 it will be more than enough to be an effective weapon. The mini-14, the Tavor, any AR above a franken-gun, is going to be more accurate and more reliable than I am on my best day. Sure the mini-14 doesn’t have the track record for being “reliable” (whatever that can mean) but I’d like to see someone kick a malfunction clear on an AR. Its not a sub par weapon despite the negative press it gets on the interwebs. Look at all the people shot and killed with Hi-Point pistols. I consider that a sub par weapon, but is that not a tool that can fufill its purpose? Quality control should be better than what it is at Ruger, but that doesn’t mean the design is worthless. Sorry to hijack the thread. Bottom line: if you find a mini-14 or a tavor in the zombie apocolypse, I bet you will be slaying the zombies just fine.
I considered the KAC 300BLK SBR, but went with Daniel Defense instead because I liked the barrel on the DD gun better, and the Daniel Defense (even taking the SOPMOD stock into account) is a half pound lighter. The 16" guns are almost identical in weight.
That said, KAC does have some cool features. Most of which I will install on my DD (Combat trigger guard, Geissele trigger, SOPMOD stock, etc.). I train to use standard controls and they work fine for me even shooting support-side, so that’s a “CDI” factor (kindof like the trigger-guard, but hey, I like it, so I won’t judge!).
Like someone else said, you shoot enough to break the bolt? A new bolt is peanuts compared to the ammo, and a new BCG for a DD costs less than just the Bolt on the KAC, so even the cost vs. cost apples/apples comes up shot.
I have a DD rifle already, in addition to the SBR I am waiting on, and it’s been great.
I have NOT shot a KAC.
What does the KAC offer that I am missing? I am aware that “intangibles” exist, but what are they, here?
He stated: While they are not the most accurate, they are the best shooters. If you want accuracy, go Noveske.
My brothers kac is a tac driver tho. he can almost out shoot me using his m4s vs my short dot.
He stated his brother’s is accurate, but seems not as a whole. Just wondering.
