I’m all for people not sitting around waiting to die, regardless of their age.
Of course, many school officals are against the plan, hence this gem of a line:
“We had immediate discomfort with all of this because it’s not the way we’ve thought about it in the past, and also, we worry a little bit more about the liability of all of this,”
I’m glad to see they are more worried about being sued that kids getting shot. My 8 year old told me how they “think about it” now - and his instructions from the school is to hide in a cubbard. Forget about going out the window (it’s single story) - let stay in the room and hide in the cubbarb so the gunman doesn’t find you. We’re sure he’ll never look there!
So many great lines in that article, it’s hard to choose just one! But this was my favorite:
“A lot of kids come from unsafe places at home, and school is their only haven, you know, and for them to come into school and have to think about that stuff I think can be scary,” parent Hope Carter told MyFOXBoston.com.
So … the kids are in unsafe neighborhoods, but we don’t want them to learn how to protect themselves.
Instead, we want them to believe that school is a haven and keep them from anything that might seem scary.
My God, we’re raising a generation that could be invaded by the French!
So, we won’t allow teachers to carry guns in schools to prevent this kind of thing, and even if we did how many actually would? Instead, we have to teach the kids to fight the bad guys.
How about having parent volunteers? I’d adjust my schedule at work to stand around the school with an AR, a MICH and level IV armor. I’d even compromise and carry a concealed pistol instead. Imagine how Columbine would have been different if halfway through their first mag those two losers got plugged in the back by an angry mom.
Let me get this straight. Some idiot in a school said we need to train 5th graders to defend themselves in the event of attack in their elementary school, and everyone here is for it? What a fu*ked-up era we undoubtedly live in.
Adults run the school, adults are responsible for the children, adults and only adults should be trained to handle a threat. Police, guards, teachers, who the frig ever. If any aspect of my 10 year old child’s school day needs to be spent in combat training, I pull him the fu*k out immediately.
What are we, a third world country for Christ’s sake? This the best we can do? Even a hint of acceptance regarding this moronic plan is as frightening as it is nauseating.
That’s just the tip of the iceberg in the U.S. Consider the fact that Two of the most important jobs in our society are the lowest paying; Teachers and Police. It’s disgusting how we squander trillions of dollars on nothing and we can’t even protect our kids in school. Post a damn policeman or two or three at every school. Find the money for something good for a change.
Well, the adults WON’T do it. I believe that no one is ever really safe anywhere. If we knew when we were safe, we’d always avoid “unsafe” areas. I don’t think we’re really talking “combat” training here - but something other than “stand there and be shot.”
In my kid’s school, his instructions are to hide in the school supplies cubbard. WTF good is that? I was just thrilled to see SOMEONE step forward and say “Maybe standing there to die is not the best option.”
I don’t disagree that we can do better to secure our schools. Regardless, I don’t see how any self-defense minded individuals can advoate a “do nothing the police will protect you” attitude. No one said the kids need to rush the guy and try and take him down - just that the school’s policy shouldn’t be “stand there and take a few rounds.” That’s exactly what my kid’s school policy is.
They even said in the article:
Georgetown Police Chief James E. Mulligan told FOXNews.com the proposed technique was intended to be a “last ditch” thing to be used in cases where a gunman has been able to thwart police and get inside a classroom alone with students.
and …
Do we want the kids to sit there and literally have the gunman be able to shoot them one at a time? Or do we want to allow instincts to kick in and basically allow them to protect themselves against the threat?
Let’s put cops in the schools. Volunteers. I’ll sign up right now. But that STILL doesn’t make you or anyone else safe, and people STILL need to be able to do SOMETHING other than stand there and die.
Instead, we want them to believe that school is a haven and keep them from anything that might seem scary.
Well, it IS a “gun free zone” so maybe that’s not too far fetched.
I’m with you. The general cowardice of our school system is appalling. Our teachers, administrators, and school boards are so incapable of providing a basic level of safety that we have to teach children to fight? It’s pathetic. How can a anyone expect a 10 year old kid to fight when their teacher is unwilling to do so?
The fact is that even psychotics are not dumb when it comes to choosing soft targets that will garner the most publicity for their fucked-up agendas. The “gun-free” policies adopted by these schools and colleges should be renamed “free-fire” policies. Perhaps some liberal can tell me why it’s fine to have an armed guard at the Smithsonian, but we leave our kids unprotected 8 hours a day.
Yep combat training is a bad idea, but hey we teach them stranger danger at school also, and BO stated sex ed is good for five year kids, and the list goes on,
All the mandated items a school must address to adhere to laws and what must be taught in schools there is no time left to teach them to read. Trust me my kids struggle at times, also as a former school employee we spent so much time in assemblies and meetings to adhere to state ad federal regulations that the teachers don’t have time to teach if they want to besides worrying about which parent is going to be mad at them next.
I don’t think anyone is talking about having a Kindergarten HRT. The first lesson needs to be escape and survival, but with kids being victimized daily anyway, I see no harm in giving them a “fighting” chance when they have no other choice. If nothing else it helps breed a mindset necessary in this day and age.
Sad but necessary, parents should already be doing this.
If NOTHING else, we should be having this discussion without a blanket endorsement or rejection.
There you go no good answer either way. Dealing with insane crazy deranged individuals, is there really a sane answer, you are dealing with something we can’t comprehend.
Again, no one necessarily said the kids to “fight” per se … just that policies that force kids to stand there and do nothing are not in their best interests. The school adminstrator said it - they are concerned with the liability.
No one is advocating a group of 10 year olds breaking glass bottles and attacking the gunmen - just that when you get to the end of the line a “do nothing hide in the closet” policy serves no one - certainly not the kids being attacked.
Yes, the adults won’t protect the children. Our children are largely unprotected in government mandated “free fire” zones. Want armed guards patrolling the hallways on a regular basis? People would be pissed off about that, too. Want armed teachers? People are ALREADY pissed off about that. Want armed college students? You guessed it - people are pissed off. So yes, I maintain that the adults are NOT getting it done.
My hat’s off to at least one police chief to suggest that when the SHTF at school, lets at least try and give the kids some sort of a chance. I told my kid that if he hears shots, go out the window. It’s a one story building, and hiding in the damn arts and crafts cubbard is STUPID.
Trump said it makes more sense to train school staff to deal with a gunman.
No kidding … but we’re not doing that, either.
The first lesson needs to be escape and survival, but with kids being victimized daily anyway, I see no harm in giving them a “fighting” chance when they have no other choice. If nothing else it helps breed a mindset necessary in this day and age.
Parents should already be teaching their kids how to do this. As a parent of two I know I am with our 14 year old and will be with my 1 year old.
Kids are taught to behave in a VERY predictable way and go to predictable locations when incidents happen, active shooters and bad guys are going to count on this. We need to teach our children to think outside the box and good judgment.
The bottom line is Beslan was not intended to be an isolated incident and we should very much expect something similar except on a larger scale to happen in the US.
Even without terrorists active shooters are a big problem. Even though they want to, Law enforcement can not protect our kids just like they can not protect us.
It is NOT PC but it is about time a school started thinking about teaching kids how to at least have a chance to survive.
Understood, but teaching 5th graders how to go on the offensive against an armed adult attacker in any form is so f*cking ridiculous I just can’t believe it.
I really try to refrain from semi-cursing in my posts, but this is too much.
