http://www.kel-tec-cnc.com/rfb.htm
looks kinds cool, any reviews?
You can see it in action on YouTube.
looks like more recoil then a G3
be interesting to see how well it works in sand with the way it ejects the casings… very… unique design… not sold on it at all…
im interested to see how well it ejects when shooting up.
I saw one in a store. Very clever design. Fully ambidextrous and the best trigger I’ve ever tried on a bullpup. WAY better than the FN2000 or AUG.
No idea how well it fires or how reliable it is.
I’ve shot one on a couple of occasions now.
Here is a post I made on another forum about the RFB
Quote Hojutsu
I know they have approximately 80 rifles out too the public, but have not seen any reviews on anyone having actually shot them . . . they seem to have more “Collector” status at this point it seems.
A buddy of mine got one a few days ago and several of us have been waiting to try them.
Demographics
We had three main shooters. All of us are life long shooters, rifle oriented and range in age from 45 to 55, and range in height from 5’6" too approximately six foot. Two of the shooters are left handed, one is right handed
The rifle used is completely stock, literally pulled from the box it was received in, loaded and shot. Two different optics were used during the shoot. A Trijicon TA33R-9 and a Trijicon RX30-14.
A single Metric FAL magazine was used during the shooting.
The Ammunition used was Russian Copper washed 7.62x51 that had been imported and purchased approximately ten or more years ago.
Loading the magazine and charging the rifle, the rifle failed to work in a semi-automatic mode. Instead it had to be manually cycled after every shot. the problem was quickly tracked down too the gas system. I’m thinking this is going to be a problem for folks not used to an adjustable gas system, say like the FAL. A quick adjustment was made to get the rifle up and running, but the gas system was not “fine tuned”, which no doubt would have softened the firing impulse even further.
Firing the rifle, “Recoil” (rearward motion of the rifle due to the firing of the projectile) was negligible. Considerably more then an AR type platform, but well within reason. Again, fine tuning the gas system and the addition of a Limb Saver recoil pad to replace the rubber pad and it would be a pussy cat. What all three shooters found interesting about the shot impule was the “Muzzle Flip” (normally the vertical rise of the muzzle due to the firing of projectiles), the “Muzzle Flip” was not vertical, but horizontal to the right. With each press of the trigger, the shot fired caused the muzzle to ride to the right off the target at 33yards. At approximately 55yards the muzzle popped to the right a perceived foot. No doubt a properly tuned Comp would keep the muzzle rock solid on target
Of the two sights, I preferred the 1x dot of the RX30. It was very simple to get on target and move from target to target. but the ACOG was perfect for engaging targets as well. The perfect optic for this rifle would most likely be a 1-4x optic, like the Trijicon AccuPoint, like the TR24-R, that’s what will go on mine when I get it.
The RFB is a compact, “BullPup” style rifle that has a full 18" barrel, while only being 26" in length . . . for perspective, that’s only about 1.5" longer then my AOW pistol gripped Shotgun! It’s a battle rile you could hide under coat. We didn’t use it for any shots over a bit over 50yards, but it was plenty fast and accurate. Next time we’ll stretch it out a bit.
Because the rifle is a BullPup, the “Manual of Arms” is a bit different, but everyone adapted pretty rapidly.
The only issue that all of the shooters mentioned was heat. Granted, we were in a pretty hot, poorly ventilated outdoor pit, with the sun beating down on the shooters, as well as the Black rifle all during the shoot. But after approximately 160rds fired, the rifle got pretty toasty, especially at the forward hand guard area, which runs directly below the full length barrel. It should also be noted that the hand guard has a series of vent holes that are directed right into the shooters support hand palm while firing the rifle. 7.62x51 rifles tend to get pretty warm under steady firing strings, but we all felt that the Kel-tec held heat in more then the average Battle Rifle. We also speculate that adding a suppressor is only going to make the heat an issue sooner (all are experienced suppressor shooters)
I have since gone out again and shot the rifle. The walking to the right mentioned in the post is for right handed shooters. I personally shot the rifle from the left shoulder and from there it walks to the left.
All in all, very cool little rifle and should make quit a splash when it gets into full production
A long time friend hates .223 and loves bullpups :rolleyes: I told him about keltec RFB he was very interested in it. Who is carrying it how much is going for on the street? Pretty sure I can talk him in to it if it is not to much.
There is a video on you tube it has decent ejection as far as I can tell there is also a one way trap door in the ejection tube
Here is the vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLO7rHjHerk
From the info that I can find it is not that different of an ejection system that you find on some belt feed MG.
“Retail” is $1888. Street price is higher at this point due to limited availability, but it’ll come down
I’ve owned one bullpup.
I currently own no bullpup.
To me, the bullpup design is great in theory, bad in execution.
Saw one locally for $1200. It felt well built, and not cheap at all.
Let me correct myself.
I think the bullpup design, as a workhorse, fails.
I think the bullpup design, if implemented entirely in a DMR role, would be outstanding.
I would love to get my hands on a Desert Tactical rifle. QD barrel, multi-caliber, bullpup layout.
The Desert Tactical’s bolt looks a little far back to be comfortably manipulated; here is a video of the rifle in use. Might take some getting used to, reaching back rather than up to work the bolt.
-B
Now THAT’S what I’m talkin’ 'bout!
Keep talkin’, they start at $4k. 
-B
I think the bullpup design, if implemented entirely in a DMR role, would be outstanding.
I’ve never messed with a bullpup before, but I’m thinking this is a bad idea.
It doesn’t seem like a bullpup receiver can be finely tuned for each shooter. On a conventional rifle, aftermarket stocks exist and can be setup by the user exactly the way they prefer it.
The second reason I think it would be a bad idea is just a theory of mine that some forum members who shoot both conventional and bullpup rifles can confirm. A DMR seems to be a weapon that is to be used mostly from a supported position. Bi pod, window edge, off of a vehicle, from a table, etc, etc, etc…
If that’s the case, then wouldn’t it be more comfortable to have most of the rifles’ weight in front of your firing grip?
Funny I spoke to Ms Lake and the lead engineer for the RFB Friday about this.
I’m working on a capablity paper for DMRs. They were responsive and willing to come up for capablity/tech demo. Our current m-14EBRs are great big tanks of a rifle. The availibaly of a sub 10 lbs with optic DMR system has possiblity.
IF the capablity paper is actioned hopefully I’ll get to be there for the tech demo(more likely they will chain me to the desk). Until then I’m on a few wait lists and looking for someone to pin a PWS brake on for me. If I get on a actual computer later I will try to add some of the disscussion points. For now I am tagging the thread .
Really? Bullpup seems to be the direction that working rifles are heading because they are more compact than the standard configuration rifles without compromising barrel length. The bullpup design is better for house to house / CQB stuff than a rifle using the traditional layout.
The AUG and FAMAS have been around in military use for decades and worked well. The F2000 is starting to get fielded by multiple military forces and Israel has begun fielding the Tavor. China, Iran and Singapore all have bullpup designs that have seen some use.
One of the military bullpup designs that initially had a lot of trouble was Britain’s SA-80/L85A1/L85A2 but that was more of an issue having to do with that particular rifle than the bullpup concept. I wouldn’t look at Britain’s problems with its rifle or anything from Kel-Tec as the final word on the concept.
There have been some major steps forward to making bullpup rifles truly ambidextrous i.e. F2000 and P90 designs. By taking care of ejection in order to make them ambidextrous that has taken care of one of the major complaints of bullpup rifles. Now that people use lots of accessories on the front ends of rifles, the bullpup is going to be a better choice due to its better balance.
Since the bullpup design is different, people are going to be resistant to accepting them. Look at how much resistance there was to the M-16 and Glock pistols simply because they were very different from the familiar designs. Now the M-16 and Glock have become the entrenched norm here and people discount things that are different from them.