Am I the only one who sees this as the most practical/usable pistol currently being marketed.
I have to say that I have not bought or even been interested in any firearms not either tactical or defensive in nature since I bought my Ruger 10/22 at age 19. This on the other hand intrigues me.
The .22wmr is a perfectly acceptable calibre(even in neutered pistol barrel length form) for pretty much any animal up to and including coyote. Growing up when either hunting, fishing, hiking, or camping there was always someone who had a .22 in their pack. There was also always a .22 in the vehicle when driving around at the ranch, most of the time it was a .22wmr. There are simply too many uses to not have one available. From animals that are prohibitive and costly to the farmer/rancher such as gophers, coyotes, beaver, and other pests to small, annoying, and sometimes dangerous animals such as snakes and badger(though personally nothing scares me more than a pissed off badger… I would rather have a 12ga.).
We all love our defensive pistols that are: hopefully, when the time is needed, manstoppers. That doenst change that likely there are more rounds shot at living things in this country from guns of this type/calibre than any other. While I would still want to be armed with a larger gun for certain reasons, most notable the fact that big cats are a real threat in places, I could see this gun and the certain copies/competitors becomming a staple in the rancher/farmer toolbox. I would also love to see a version available in .17.
Just for backgound reverence. I grew up in Montana with family in both farming and ranching so maby my views and percieved needs are different.
Sorry about the excitement, but like I said, this is the first practical firearm(though oddly because I have moved away from home not anymore applicable) I have been interested in many years.
If it is even remotely reliable I will be buying. Apparently the MSRP is $415.
I think that often us defensive/firearms hobbiest forget about what kind of things are actually most likely to need to be dead or at least are being made dead everyday. This gun is directled at the people who are doing that kind of shooting.
3headed- The most practical/usable pistol currently being marketed? Are you kidding? I guess you forget about Glock, HK, and M&P to an extent. Maybe the TigerSwan class that I have coming up will have the instructors using Kel-Tec’s.
Your words: The most practical/usable pistol currently being marketed. Maybe some of our SWAT, LE, and .mil guys will start being issued them.:rolleyes:
Kel-Tec makes a marginally acceptable product that can border on POS. I’m sure we’ll have the Kel-Tec fans that feel the need to defend their products so they feel less butt-hurt.
Just remember: Do .mil, three letter agencies, LE, or any good training groups use Kel-Tec? Don’t come back with “So and so does” who is a little known person/group.
This is in no way a practical defense weapon and I am not advocating that. In fact I think you would notice that I was very perticular to state that this was the first NON-defensive gun I had been interested in a while.
But here is a question, and be honest. How many LIVING things have you perforated with glock, H&K, M&P, or any other centerfire defensive calibre handgun… I would venture to say that most of people who have killed living things on US soil have done it more with a rimfire. I have personally shot a few pests with my .45 but have shot way more with .22’s be they LR or WMR. I also think that the .22WMR is nicer for the intended purpose of killing pest/probamatic creatures than the .22LR though it is no where near as nice of a plinking gun. This gun, if implimented well, would be a nice, light, high cap, gun capable of fitting that role.
Also I would hope that people would first get their defensive firearm before any other type. Now since most people already have their Glock, H&K, ect this would be a nice addition to ones collection that would have a much higher chance of actually being used.
Lets face it we buy carry gun and hopefully practice/train with those guns for that unlikely 1% shooting situation where we may need to use it on another human being. I think that it would also be nice to have a practical pistol that fit into some of that other 99%(though obvioulsy this doesnt fit into all of it.)
3headed- Your words: “…the most practical/usable pistol currently being marketed.” If you want to refine this statement, do so. Not trying to bust your balls, but you said it. Now defend it.
Doesn’t matter how many things I have engaged with an H&K or Glock. Why carry a weapon that isn’t as effective at doing so. An H&K or Glock can dispatch a varmit just as well as a .22. However, a .22 cannot, in most situations, dispatch the two legged varmit as well as these weapons. If it could, we’d see TS, LV, EAG, GG, and other trainers with real world experience use them when going down range.
You said it for all to see, now defend it, or admit you may have worded it better.
Last post defending my statement as I dont want to be the cause of derailing this or get into pissing match.
Websters definintions
Practical-“concerned with actual use or practice”
Usable-“able to be put to use”
Now, Im sure someone can argue that simply carrying a gun is infact use, but what I am saying is that this type of gun(rimfire) is actually USED far more than defensive firearms. By use I mean the actual act of pointing the gun at something that one needs/desires to be gone or dead.
For goodness sake I am not even saying that this is something that people will carry but the fact is that if I was out and saw a gopher in the middle of a cow pasture or some other animal that is causing problems I would bypass the sig on my hip(which is there whenever it is able) and reach behind the seat for a gun in this catagory. This gun fits well in that catagory.
cool idea but danged if I can find any .22 mag in my area. I would love to have a similar gun in .22lr for just burning through bricks of .22 and having a whole lotta fun. I would be surprised if they DIDN’T offer a .17hmr version though I’m even less interested in that.
The general thought by everyone on most boards is “I like it only I want it in .22lr.”
I would argue though, that there are so many nice .22lr’s out there that trying to build one that would be both accepted and compete with what is out there would be hard. Most people want either a nice target .22lr like the ruger mark series or a adaptation of their defensive firearm for practice and plinking. This perticular pistol seems to be designed for the hunting/pest removal crowd that would prefer the greater utility of the .22magnum for use on these types of animals. I for one would be willing to spend a little more on the ammo when I am using it for dispatching critters.
Personally for plinking I feel like their would be better options. While the added capacity would be nice for less reloading, I do not require it for simply shooting for fun. For actual use I completely see the utility of having a .22WRM with 30rds in the pack/vehicle/barn/ect.
Of course it all depends on if this thing actually works:eek: We will see.
I see your point with there being a lot of .22 lr’s out there already but non of them hold 30 rounds. the high capacity and fun factory would be what would set this apart from the crowd.
What about the Excel Arms Accelerator pistols. I don’t know how well they work but it’s about the only thing currently on the market that’s semi-auto and .22WMR. The biggest issue with semi-auto 22s, lr or wmr, is the fact that the round is so long. The only advice I can give to anyone looking for a reliable handgun in .22anything is to get a revolver! If you want quicker reloads, you’re going to have to give up some potential reliability. Round capacity is not really an issue because there are revolvers that will hold 9 or 10 rounds.
Personally, I think the 10mm Glocks are some of the most versital and practical guns made but for full versitility you need a .22lr conversion kit and a spare barrel in .40S&W. The 10mm is powerful enough for most dangerous game on the North American continent. The .22lr is great for small game hunting, cheap plinking and spare ammo is easy to carry in bulk. The .40S&W barrel would allow cheaper practice and, so long as the gun worked reliably with the .40 barrel, it could even be used for self defence. All of this is, of course, my opinion. Just as the PMR-30 and other semi-auto .22WMR handguns are basically niche guns. If it serves a purpose for you, great!
My MKE 94k isn’t exactly a practical gun for CC self defence but I bought it for collecting and gonzo plinking. I love and collect older H&K pistols and, prior, I needed an SP89 to finish my collection. At easily half the price, I got the SP89-look and guilt-free shooting.
have these things hit the market yet?
ammo costs is nearly as high as 9mm… :mad:
hmm…
if it was a 22lr i’d be interested… mostly just curious if kel tec managed to make them reliable.
Not trying to bust your balls, but you said it.
Now defend it.
