KAC SR15 Impressions so far

Below is a synopsis of my notes on the gun so far. I hope to followup with more detailed photos as soon as I get some time during daylight hours.

12/12/07 Initial receipt

  1. Lighter than it looks
  2. Sling swivel installed on bottom of rail doesn’t permit installation of vert grip
  3. Rail panels only snap in at certain locations, limits location of gear
  4. A2 grip may cause issues
  5. GI CH latch may cause issues
  6. LMT stock fits very tight to receiver extension

12/13/07 Initial Zero

  1. 110 rounds XM 193 fired.
    A. 80 in Colt 20-round mags, 30 in Pmags
  2. Used Bipod on ARMS mount attached to rail
  3. Zeroed easily on bore-sight
  4. Zeroed with Aimpoint ML2 in ADM Cantilever and Compact ACOG 1.5x in LT mount @ 50 yards
  5. 2-Stage trigger very impressive with no creep after takeup

12/14/07 TD-1 (EAG 3-Day Carbine)

  1. First drill had two failure-to-feed attributable to Pmag w/ crossed rounds
  2. Zero held from bipod to mag as monopod
  3. No other failure
  4. 210 rounds XM193 fired (320 total)
  5. Confirmed A2 grip bruises right social finger
  6. Cut on left booger-picker due to GI CH latch & screws on rear sight

12/15/07 TD-2

  1. No malfuntions
  2. 420 rounds XM193 fired (740 total)
  3. Found that Pmags do not drop free from lower on speed reloads

12/16/07 TD-3

  1. Two Failure-to-feed on last drill of day
    A. Rifle failed to chamber first round from the mag when using bolt catch to drop bolt
  2. 420 rounds XM193 fired (1160 total)

Pictures so far

side-by-side with Noveske N4

doing dryfire transition drills

Rob,

  Nice review.  Any chance you could get weights of the Noveske and the KAC as show in the side by side pic?

  What are your thoughts on the N4 vs SR15 (ie. pros and cons of each rifle)?

S/F,
Jeff

rob_s,

I’ve got a KAC carbine that I’ve been playing around with for a little while, and its a nicely laid out weapon. One of these days when I’ve got fewer projects going on, I’ll sit down and document everything with pictures.

Keep us posted with how things progress for you.

The Noveske belongs to another student in the class and I can’t weigh it. I haven’t gotten the KAC on a scale yet, but I will.

I’m surprised that you hadn’t weighed her yet. I know weight has been pretty important to you for the last couple of years. It will be interesting to see the numbers.

What was your cleaning/lubing schedule during the class? Was your SR15 competitively priced? I look forward to additions to your review as round count grows. Competition in this industry is a good thing.

I just simply haven’t had the time to weigh it yet. I want to do a comparative weight with my primary carbine, which means I need to get them both in comparatively identical dress. Totally subjectively it didn’t weigh as much as it appeared to at first glance.

As to price, I didn’t buy this one. It’s a T&E loaner from KAC that I have to give back eventually. It’s not exactly a pre-production gun but it’s not exactly refined enough to be a production gun. Retail, according to Trey Knight, is expected to be in the $2k range.

I haven’t cleaned the gun at all yet, and the only lube applied was prior to each range session. I will most likely be giving it a good polishing next week to get some detail photos of the proprietary bolt and receiver extension.

That’s a pretty minimalist lube sched for that particular EAG course, at least if it was at all dusty/hot/humid…All things considered, that isn’t a high failure rate for a piece that hasn’t been “gone through” Then again, at $2K, it should just plain run. It will be interesting to see what shapes up…

I cant wait to get one.

As for the PMag issue - if it continues with production guns - I think I’d just give them a light once over with a piece of 600grit sandpaper.

Thanks for the insight Rob

Looking forward to KAC rifles leaving the realm of the unicorn and joining the rest of us in a place where they can actually be purchased and owned.

Great write up Rob…thanks.

Waiting on these E3s to come out has definitely been killing me. Last word from Lawmen’s was not too much longer now but that was a few months ago. Has anyone heard anything more concrete? I’m starting to see lots of lowner E3 pics pop up all over the web…can’t be too long now.

EDIT - Sorry guys…just saw the E3 thread…

So the gun has to go back next week, and I never did get a chance to “bench” it, but I did get a bunch of pics last night, and will get more today or tomorrow. For now, here’s a teaser pic.

When is the ambi lower going to come out?

I don’t know. After talking with Trey, even KAC sees limited use/market for it, and I’m inclined to agree.

A lefty that’s trained with a standard AR would have to totally re-train themselves, and even then they would have to be certain that they aren’t going to wind up with someone else’s gun and have to go back to the old way. Because of this, you kind of need someone that’s switched-on enough to buy a $2k AR, but that doesn’t have enough experience with the platform to have already learned to operate a standard AR. Kind of a rare person to find.

I do believe they intend to release the “ambo” (as they call it) eventually, but the priority is on the regular guns.

Actually we will be taking orders for both models of the SR-15 E3 IWS at Shot Show. We will also be phasing out the non ambo model and all KAC rifles to include the SR-25 series will have the ambo. feature. The right side bolt catch actually works well for right handed shooters when you are all ready in a shooting position. I have become very acquainted with the ambo. safety selector and prefer it;especially on FA guns. I think what it comes down to is spending some time with the ambo controlls and seeing what works for you. One nice thing is the ability for training personnel to be able to teach the same movements(mirrored) for lefties.Unlike left eject guns these features do not effect people who don’t use or need them. The SR-15 series also features integrated QD sling mounts.I feel certain that we will be getting some orders at Shot and dealers should have some rifles in less than 30 days. We will split the orders up and not ship all available rifles to one dealer.

Good to know. SInce the KAC site no longer shows the SR-15 with the integral sling mounts I thought they might be value-engineered out.

If two are shown, Colt is on left, KAC on right

Hey Rob, I’ll be around all weekend, if you can swing by and pick up the SR15, it’s yours to use if you want. Left you a vm.

Weight stripped

My primary as comparison

Weight “jocked up”

Primary similarly loaded as comparison

That’s great news, thanks for the update. Very much looking forward to getting my hands on a KAC carbine very soon.

This post motivated me to make this one:

http://m4carbine.net/showthread.php?p=119098#post119098

Sorry but KAC wont get ANY MONEY from me (or interest in any of their items) till they change their views (VERY RECENT VIEWS) on civilians owning firearms.