I will be purchasing a .308 caliber AR rifle in the near future, and these are the two down to which I’ve narrowed my decision. For those with experience on both rifles, please help me to understand their relative strengths and weaknesses. A comparison/contrast between the two would be very nice. I used the search function to try to find this information, but I did not find anything. If I have missed a thread that covers this, please link me to it.
To clarify, this rifle will be serving in a battle rifle type roll, to be used in carbine courses, as well as plinking to maybe about 600 yards.
Owning the SR-25 EMC I’ll say if money isn’t a concern, SR-25. It is the quintessential AR based battle rifle. This is as good as it gets.
That said, keep in mind the MWS is 80 percent a KAC gun, so at this point the jury is still out how the MWS compares. It just doesn’t have the history to clearly make an apples to apples verdict. I would say that the MWS is a bit more nose heavy, because of the MRP design. With the gun being designed around a DMR role primarily.
Now that’s not to say that’s a bad thing, as re-barreling your gun takes only a matter of minutes, as compared to having KAC do that swap back at the factory.
Thanks. At this moment, I’m leaning toward the KAC. If only for the phallic sound of the acronym. I really appreciate the links. I have already read these threads. What I’m looking for, more, is a direct comparison of the two guns.
I am very interested in the rifle version of these two, to be used as a DMR.
The main differences are in the upper. Due to the quick barrel change system, it is my understanding that the MWS weighs about one and a half pounds more than the EMC and is very front heavy. That is very significant to me. However, the MWS barrel system may also prove to be more accurate.
The lowers are the same, except that I believe another significant difference is in the butt stock, buffer, receiver extension area. The LMT version uses a little bit more of a proprietary system than the KAC, but will let others chime in about the exact differences.
It would be nice to know more about the reliability and accuracy (cold vs. hot barrel, too) differences between the two.
I’ve also got the SR-25. But unlike Titleist (and Costa), I have it set up more as a precision piece with an S&B PMII 3-12 in a NEAR mount.
Hey Buds I didn’t know you were drinking the “Knights” koolaid!!! LOL
Maybe come the 11/11 we can tee up and I could get a few rds down range on it? Cheers
I don’t think you’ll find anyone who has any significant trigger time with both guns.
I think KevinB said it fine when saying the MWS is a good weapon for 95% of the shooters out there. I guess you have to decide if that 5% is worth another 2+ grand to you. It wasn’t for me even though Id rather have a KAC just because its a KAC but so far I have close to 700 rounds through my MWS without a single issue, and thats shooting everything from steel case Wolf, German DAG, and up to BH match rounds, ect. Its proven to be very accurate for a CL barrel, too.
My only complaint is its a big of a pig but you can always have the barrel turned down, dimpled, ect. I took the barrel out of mine just because, and I can attest the barrel is what makes it heavy. Both the contour, and the barrel lockup/extension is HUGE. I have a Short-Dot on mine, and it balances pretty nicely for me but I don’t like butt heavy guns to begin with.
If all things were equal including price I would opt for the KAC. All things are not equal so I went with the LMT and had the difference to put towards optics, trigger and accessories.
The KAC is much better balanced but the tweaking has begun so we will see where that ends up.
MRP is convenient but I dont see any scenario where a guy is saying hold on while I swap barrels and take a longer shot LOL.
16 or 18 is perfect IMO for M118LR type loads 800yds not an issue and the potential for 1K is there but capable drivers are rare.
Barrel swaps on KACs is easy enough but you need some spendy specialized KAC tools to do it, but it can be done without sending it back to KAC.
I think the LMT is really set-up for the DMR role, it is just so front heavy (barrel lock up and rail length) it is begging for a PRS to even it out and justify all that metal out front. I don’t think that even if you get a shorter rail it will be enough to lighten it with that barrel assembly.
It would be nice if we could buy a EMC upper, but I’ve only seen one for sale for $3500. But barring that, what would be the nearest upper to replicate an EMC upper? I know that BCM makes 5.56 uppers based on KAC rails, does anyone do it for 7.62 components?
My thought is that the ‘EMC’ upper would be for classes, with the MWS upper with the 16 inch barrel would be the back-up upper.
Who am I kidding, I’m going to end up with an EMC eventually.
