John Lovell's Tyranny Test

General General Discussion
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I’ve been stuck in a hotel room out of town on and off for the last several months. Lots of free time. I’ve been watching John’s stuff for a number of years and I enjoy his sense of humor, and appreciate his candor and point of view. Some of his videos have been educational for me, some are thought provoking, and some just entertaining.

For years (Since Bill Clinton’s days) I have been pondering how far gone we are as a country. What is “the line”? What is the “point of no return”. When have “they” over stepped their bounds just a little (or a lot) too far? John has answered my question. One of his best videos yet. I’d like anyone here to legitimately argue any of his presented points. I would argue that we are, right now, under the heel of a fully tyrannical government, supported by mass media, big tech, Hollywood, and private billionaires.

I still struggle with what to do about it, but it appears the happy, carefree days of wanting to be left alone are quickly coming to an end. For your viewing pleasure:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVzS7Z0lE0o

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Agreed.

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Big fan of WPS. He is a man that’s got it figured out. If only there were more men/fathers like him out there…

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That was outstanding…thank you for sharing.

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So, Im gonna watch that in a bit…huge fan of Johns for a long time now.
But, Ive asked that question so many times…here & elsewhere. And each person has a different veiwpoint.
Mine has changed somewhat due to me becoming a Christian & wanting to avoid bloodshed as much as possible- but I WHOLLY believe we really are past due for some kind of action. My Lord at NO point told me to sit back & take what these sick, evil Satanic sons-of-bitches are trying to pull on me, you & America…the world even. i WONT be disarmed, or told I cant go to worship, or sing at worship, or have gatherings in my home, or go to gatherings, or ANY of the shit Ive seen over the last year. In just ONE YEAR…less even…all this and much much more was done in parts of the United States of America. Now…SCOTUS debated letting cops go into YOUR HOME, without a warrant…for “wellness checks”? NO. THEY WILL NOT.
So yes, everyones line is different, some dont even have one. Looking forward to seeing this later tonight.

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Excellent video. John nailed it.

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Well the first legit argument I have is the video is still up, the presenter hasn’t been arrested and sent to reeducation camp and all of those things. But that doesn’t mean everything is just fine either.

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As usual, you are right. Things could be worse…

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The question folks have is do we wait for that point to begin, or go before that time arrives?

I have no answer, i have been looking back and seeing old ads for things and watching “The Highwaymen” and that gun store scene, just makes me weep. The freedom so many struggled to obtain for all of us to be able to shop like that at a gun shop and other rights, such as posting whatever lecture video series you deem fit to publish, just makes me weep.

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I like John and his shooting oriented vids. I find it ironic that John speaks of the the Constitution as the highest law in the land and then quotes from the 10 commandments. John’s a Christian too…sigh.

I agree with Steyr…this isn’t Nazi Germany, the USSR, or ComChi…yet. We’re more like the soft flakey Europeans. Will it get worse, probably. Will people fight, I don’t know. People can be unpredictable in many ways. Where’s that line in the sand? Haven’t got there yet, and I’m not itchy to start shooting people. Like one person here said. who do I shoot first, second etc. John was right though, we are tyrannizing.

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We’ve all been stuck in that “awkward time” on and off since before I was born. I remember when it was definitely gonna happen before the turn of the century. I remember in 79 when people thought Ted Kennedy might actually get the nomination.

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In the context in which he is speaking… and context is key, here… it IS the highest—or supreme—law of the land.

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Well, everyone’s waiting for the boxcars to get broken out for tyranny to OFFICIALLY kick in.
The wars we’ve been fighting/will be fighting aren’t last centuries’ wars. The tyranny we’re currently in the process of experiencing being installed won’t be last century’s tyranny.
The left ain’t stupid.

You can already see that the crap they enact is always done in such away where it’s ‘not worth fighting over’…and yet it keeps happening over and over and over and everyone justifies doing nothing because they THINK “oh, this one thing isn’t a big deal, it’s not time to do anything yet.”
The propaganda machine has done a fine job of dragging everyone down into the same straws-eye narrow view of events the left themselves take, and so people have been conned into thinking today’s issue are all there is.
They’ve forgotten all about yesterdays issues that ‘weren’t bad enough yet’ to care about, nor do most people fathom in any way what today’s issues being implemented mean for tomorrow.
So here we are… it’s all been piling up for years with hardly a whimper of [serious ‘no, FU’] protest, and now the things either being implemented as we sit here, or about to be implemented, ARE things that people should be viewing as that ‘line in the sand’, especially in light of everything that already exists.
But still, nothing will happen to curb the onrush of tyrannical bullshit, because people still think “eh, it’s not that bad yet, I can plug my nose and comply some more”.

Since we’re on a gun forum, take the gun issues. They’ll never institute a ban + confiscation. Why? Because they’re not stupid and they know such a penultimate gungrab is the ONE scenario everyone in the 2A has been psyched up to fight over if ever implemented.
They’ll just legislate the shit out of everything related to it, then how they’re stored, then deleting your right to ever use them in self defense, etc, etc, and AT NO POINT will ANY of it be something people will find worth fighting it out over. It’s just one more thing to comply with TODAY, never mind the existing plethora of onerous laws, or that tomorrow they’ll be right back with several new ones.
TODAY, well, alright, I guess I’ll pull the guts out of my one very neutered rifle I’ve been magnanimously allowed to register and keep before I lock it up in my mandatory gov approved safe I was forced to buy at great personal expense, then count the brass for the 50 rounds of ammo I’m allowed to own to prevent ammo hoarding, because we all know anyone with over 50 rounds is a terrorist, so that tomorrow I can present said 50 pieces of brass at the local shop, then present multiple forms of ID, fill out a form, pay for a background check and a 200% tax on my next box of 50 rounds that I will have to wait 14 days to take home.
I can’t see anyone pitching a fit over any of that, can you?

Sure, the author of the video isn’t going to gulag TODAY for being bad comrade…and likely they never will have anything that overt happen to them either. They’ll just slowly get squeezed into a smaller and smaller corner through content restrictions and de platforming and then one day they will disappear. Again, people have fallen back into ‘today’s issues’ - oh, he’s still on youtube, everything’s fine.
But its not. People are still getting restricted and deplatformed all over (their favored new method of lawfare is “copyright strike” that they can’t ever explain, as well as demonetization).
Has anyone noticed where Fox news has been relegated to on YT these days? That was a very recent change… They’re enemy propaganda now after all (no, seriously, some journo wrote an article about it, that’s not me being dramatic).
The only reason folks like Lovell are allowed on there anymore is they are simply to big and to mainstream to boot off entirely; once they no longer need the view-driven shekels, or they get a fresh wave of virtue signalling bug up their ass, the second Great Youtube Purge will happen, and that will be that. All it will take is one maniac to post something from a gun channel on their soc-media page, and it’s over. Especially if they’re a superbad Dumestic Ter’rist type.
The last attempted gun-content purge over there a couple years back was barely avoided once YT realized their platform was still too people-driven and they’d lose massive revenue if they drove that many viewers away all at once, plus their terms for content to be nuked were too broad, and so pissed off everyone instead of what they thought was a small section of content.
They’ll do better next time (hence why they’re starting to lean towards becoming more of a mainstream hosting platform). Meanwhile the net outcome is incessant lawfare against content creators of all stripes, and a virtue signalling nerf of their algorithm to prevent ‘radicalization’.
Don’t even get me started on Twitter/Facebook and Google. Even Bitchute is starting to have issues.
And social media is only about half the assault on the 1A.
Then there’s everything else; the corpo-government complex, the economy, the border, the ongoing [and expanding] COVID compliance-cult tyranny, the unending parade of BS social issues and the blatant undermining and perversion of, well, everything, the targeted riots/lawfare, oh, and now they’ve ensconced themselves in a ‘forever green zone’, are calling everyone they don’t like terrorists, and are currently trying to purge and subvert your military.
This is totally not how every great evil empire they write history books about later gets started. Nope, nothing to see here.

It’s all a grand joke really, if you think about it.
Look at the reasons we decided to separate from Britain, compared to where we are today; those reasons are almost laughably petty now.
But even then, nobody was carting off the populations of various ‘rebel’ towns to death valley or some other siberian-esque gulag.
In fact, given a large portion of the colonies’ population managed to stay well out of that conflict, and absent a real life-or-death reason to fight, one could say it was about the same situation we’re in today (better actually). It was just those pesky domestic rebels causing all the trouble.
It’s just a little tax is all… they just wanted the cannons, not your musket…

We’re likely about to get national kung-flu passports installed, and once that happens, there will be nothing left that they can’t do [to you].
And nobody will care; well, it’s not that big a deal, after all we’re still the most free nation on earth…
:rolleyes:

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Per “today’s issues”;

{Gulag Archipelago, IIRC}

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Honestly, under Bush 43, with a Republican majority in the house and senate, the SCOTUS ruled that eminent domain can be applied for PRIVATE USE if it can be demonstrated that there is potential positive outcomes for the public at large.

The case was state of Florida engaging in land grabs of coastal private property so that they could develop hotels and casinos. At the time it was the most BLATANT violation of the Constitution despite specific wording to the contrary.

Nobody came out guns blazing. No justices were tarred, feathered and sent on there way. In fact most people didn’t know it even happened and those who did mostly didn’t understand the big deal or why it was even important.

Ruling like that get us rulings like this with the same dependable complacency. And of course by then it’s kinda too late.

Now every once in awhile they overstep and have to walk things back a little. Sadly it’s usually absurd stuff like arm braces.

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You bring up a good point. This isn’t so much about Left or Right, as it is about tyranny, regardless of the clothes it wears. Just because someone says they’re your friend, doesn’t make it so. Bush and the other RINOS are very much as part of the problem as the overt leftists.

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I see and wholeheartedly agree with every point in your entire post. The quote from your second post is truly haunting and deadly accurate.

So why aren’t YOU dead or in prison for trying to fight it? We all see it. We all know exactly what it is and exactly how they are doing it. What will it take to get YOU out of your house and into the streets to stop it?

We can point to episodes of government abuse going unchecked, like Steyr’s example, or the Branch Davidians, but not much talk about Cliven Bundy. I don’t even know how all that ended up. I just know that the feds, at least at one point, backed off. Then we see what Timothy McVeigh decided to do about it all. Are there lessons in these atrocities?

We all know there is a major problem, but what is the solution? You’ve done an excellent job of shining a spotlight on their current activities and their future plans, now how do we stop them? Clearly voting en masse is completely ineffective now. What do we do?

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I completely agree. Two sides of the same counterfeit coin, and why both sides hated and vilified Trump.

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I understand that many, like the vast majority would think and say that, but I wouldn’t and neither should John nor any Christian. There is no higher law than God’s law, there is no context in which God’s law would be set lower than man’s law…ever. He appeals to the general, maybe just generally conservative pluralistic American.

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Exactly. I think people put way too much emphasis on what side of the aisle a person is and not enough on how they are profiting off of being in office.