Jericho, Cecils brother now poached as well...

If you don’t think our culture cares more about some animal than it does human life, look no further than California. That “drought” they’re having?? Man made crisis to protect a fish which serves absolutely no purpose, but some liberal tree-hugging putz found one in a stream one time which warranted a federal judge and the EPA to force the dumping millions of gallons of freshwater into the ocean instead of into farms which produce a very LARGE portion of America’s fresh fruits and vegetables, as well as livestock… And what do we get out of all this? The fish is going to go extinct anyway and we’ll be stuck with higher cost for groceries. Nice job government.

In 2007, U.S. district judge Oliver Wanger ruled that the pumping that annually sent about 6 million acre-feet of water to Kern County and beyond was threatening the delta smelt’s existence by disrupting water flows for the fall spawning season. Citing the protections accorded by the Endangered Species Act, he ordered pumping for agricultural uses curtailed by one-third until the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service could evaluate the situation. After studying the issue for more than a year, the USFWS determined last December that pumping by the SWP and CVP “was likely to jeopardize the continued existence of the delta smelt and adversely modify its critical habitat.” The agency issued plans to keep Judge Wanger’s restrictions in place. According to Tulare County supervisor Allen Ishida, “California was forced to let 660,000 acrefeet of its freshwater supplies run out to the ocean. That was enough water to supply the entire Silicon Valley for two years.”

…The result of these irrigation pump shutdowns is that hundreds of thousands of acres of farmland are being forced out of production. Kern County authorities estimated that 145,000 of the 850,000 acres that are typically irrigated were idled or under-irrigated last year. The loss was pegged at $100 million in the county alone. A study by UC-Davis estimated San Joaquin Valley farm revenue losses to range from $482 million to $647 million. Total California agricultural economic losses could hit $3 billion this year…

[i]But while the bald eagle and the grizzly are the poster children of ESA protection, they are the exception and not the rule. Most species for whose preservation the power of government has been harnessed are ones whose loss few would mourn, or even notice. How many tears, for instance, would be shed if the rock gnome lichen disappeared, not to mention the dwarf wedgemussel or the Comal Springs dryopid beetle? Or the delta smelt? And yet court decisions and other regulatory moves are being made on behalf of these and other creatures in ways that present significant hardship for landowners. Whether depriving Central Valley farmers of contractually entitled water or placing restrictions on landowners’ use of their own properties, endangered species regulations end up hamstringing humans for the benefit of certain plants, fish, and animals that few have heard of and even fewer care about.

Sometimes such hamstringing is merely a costly irritant. Case Western Reserve University law professor Jonathan Adler has noted, “Under the ESA, individual Americans have been prevented from building homes, plowing fields, cutting trees, clearing brush, and repairing fences—all on private land.”[/i]

Well, first I’ll point out that you’re not talking about “babies” but rapidly dividing clumps of cells. I actually killed a bunch this morning when I sprayed bleach foamer in the corners of my shower on my way out the door.

Further, despite what the bleeding hearts will have you believe, a human life (a real life, borne unto this world, not a blasula/gastrula/foetus) has very little significance. On a macro, humans are in no danger of becoming extinct whatsoever. On a micro level, the importance of a human life can be assessed based on impact and contribution.

The life of an Alpha lion has great importance, and to wish or imagine that this particular lion would never have bred another cub is absurd and ridiculous. As a percentage of the total population, one cub with superior DNA is significant. An entire litter (or even more) is of great significance.

Crazy bowhunting dentist is not a natural selector in the wild. It is a perversion of the Law of the Jungle. So long as the population remains threatened, we must allow for nothing but pure natural selection to occur.

When we do capture those responsible, they should be fed to zoo lions, and the video disseminated as widely as possible to strike fear into the hearts of poachers and perverts alike, so that this does not continue to happen. Perhaps we can do the same with Boko Haram also, just to keep with the whole Africa theme…

LOL, and they give away all the meat to the tribe, who would otherwise starve… because it’s Africa… right?

How do you get yourself to believe stuff like that?

LOL!

“Them durn’ libruls dun made the Composite Precipitation fall too wit derr Commie BS!”

Turn your brain back on.

The partisan hate machine may have convinced you that you belong to a team and that it is your duty to rage against the other side (that’s how they keep you all distracted), but it doesn’t make you a good conservative warrior to oppose Conservation efforts… the opposite, actually…

Just so I am understanding this whole thing. Is legal to hunt lion, elephant or whatever in said shitstain of a country so long as the proper permits are bought and the correct type of animal is killed. Kind of like hunting in the USA or pretty much anywhere on the planet. This evil dentist paid the fees and did things in a legal manner, but the shitstain government certified guide screwed the pooch and instead of forfeiting the fee guided the hunter to a bad kill. Haw is this the fault of the hunter? Why do we need the U.S. government involved in this? Seems like the only person who needs to be fed to the zoo lions is the POS guide.

I don’t agree with the whole let’s kill something for shits and giggles either; but I’m not going to demanding someone be fed to lions for doing what is legal.

Wanna bet our government will put more effort into deporting this guy than any of the gazillion criminal aliens inside our borders??

Just wondering how Arizona manages a surplus and California can’t quiet get themselves out of this mess?

And you would rather have billions of dollars and hundreds of families’ livelihoods literally washed out to sea, all to save a fish… Got it.

How do you get yourself to believe stuff like that?
How do you get to believe what you believe? I’ve been a hunter for my entire life. The majority of my protein comes from fish, birds and animals my family kills with their own hands. I don’t pay someone else to do my killing if I can help it.

Kenya, who stopped allowing hunting in the 70’s, has seen a reduction in their wildlife populations of 85%. Putting a monetary value on animals saves them. It seems counter intuitive, but species all over the world have benefited from hunting dollars.

In the U.S. you simply have to look at the preservation wild turkeys, ducks, white tail deer, elk and bison. The vast majority of this was funded by dollars raised by hunters. The only reintroductions that hunters haven’t stood behind is wolf and grizzly bear reintroduction. However, that reintroduction by the Feds would not have been possible without the growth in ungulate herds brought about by hunter’s dollars.

In Africa, success stories abound in countries that have some sort of relatively stable government. Wildlife in South Africa rebounded for a 1960’s low of 600,000 animals to over 24 million animals today. The safari industry, which includes hunting, is the economic machine that made this possible.

Kev… I can spout my talking points, and you can spout yours, but we will never agree.

Well, first I’ll point out that you are in fact wrong, and that we are actually talking about real human babies, who have real baby parts such as hearts, livers, spines, and limbs.

Further, despite what the bleeding hearts will have you believe, a human life has very little significance.

Well that rather lucidly explains your complete lack of empathy and total indifference for the lives of unborn children which you revealed in your above comment.

Crazy bowhunting dentist is not a natural selector in the wild. It is a perversion of the Law of the Jungle.

What “law” would that be exactly, and who wrote it?

Agreed. The dentist should be rendered a nonfatal wound from a bow outside his favorite restaurant, and then tracked for a few days… before being finished off by the gun.

:slight_smile:

For many reasons… the first of which being the mighty Colorado River which supplies tons of cool, fresh water to Arizona does not go to California, save for that nice green part in Palo Verde/ Riverside county.

Also the “Ridiculously Resilient Ridge” of hot, dry air that dries out California (and more so Oregon) doesn’t effect Arizona as much.

Agreed. :wink:

I haven’t read any of your posts that leads me to believe that you are not serious. “Wow”, is the only thing that I can come up with, as a response to your views of this situation.

Considering his stated views concerning the value and dignity of every human life, is it really surprising?

“Wherever you have animal worship, you will have human sacrifice.”
G.K. Chesterton

Spot on sir!

Every time one of these scumbags post their paid for “trophy” pics from Africa on facebook, and it creates huge outrage, the same fringe crazies scream out about abortions. What a shocker.

a woman hunter posted her pics of a trophy giraffe. Time for the high horsers to lose their minds! Same high horsers who will eat livestock that are raised in horrible conditions. I guess its ok if you kill them indirectly?

http://www.today.com/news/idaho-huntress-sabrina-corgatelli-speaks-out-after-her-kill-photos-t36146

I’m a vegetarian, do i get to voice my opinion about her ?

Apparently you don’t on M4C now lol

Please keep the discussions within an adult level.

As long as you recognize that one of the biggest threats to wildlife is farming :smiley: Trophy hunting may be disgusting to some, and I honestly can understand that. I found this article fairly well balanced. http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jul/29/trophy-hunting-just-part-story-behind-declining-lion-numbers-africa As a hunter, and a lover of wildlife (yes you can be both) I do not want to see any species disappear. I acknowledge there is corruption involved. I acknowledge that everything is not perfect in Africa. I also recognize that without a way to monetize wildlife in certain countries with a goal of proper conservation, wildlife will cease to exist. Poor farming practices and rampant poaching has far more effects on wildlife in third world countries than trophy hunting does.

To me this isn’t about hunting just to be clear. I’ve hunted in the past for Deer, Dove, and few other popular NA game animals/birds.

This is something totally different imho.

I agree, though the circumstances behind this dentist clown’s “hunt” was far from being on the up and up from what we’ve seen so far.

Agreed. This was either the worst kind of “canned hunt” or blatant poaching. Neither of which should be tolerated IMO.

Just out of curiosity, the ones of you that believe fetuses are only cells dividing, do you guys have kids?

Anyway, I don’t like guided hunts and especially poaching anymore than the next, but I don’t agree that threatening the guy with death is the answer. Nor do I believe the sky is falling.

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To be technical, we are all “just” cells dividing. It’s a way to dehumanize a person for the discussion at hand.

So did the lion Jericho actually die? I’ve heard both ways and never got confirmation.