Jeep & OneRepublic “Big Game Blitz”

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If you’re going to buy a Jeep, it should AP be a wrangler and you should know that you’re buying it with a few warts.

I will never drive anything that isn’t a truck or a wrangler…and if I buy a truck I won’t get rid of the wrangler.

I love that it’s noisy. I love that it leaks a little bit. I love that it drives like it has two live axles…because it does. I love that every single part can be replaced with something better if it breaks.

And the resale value stomps the shit out of every other mass produced vehicle on the market.

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That’s absolutely true. And it’s one of the few vehicles that is always cool, no matter the age. My father in law has two old ones on his property, it’d be badass if he fixed at least one of them up.

My GC doesn’t have too many miles on it for how long I’ve had it because we were on Oahu for most of that time, but I love it and it’s been nothing but great. I bought the lifetime warranty (which seems pretty awesome) and plan on driving it into the ground, unless I stop spending money on guns and trade it in for a newer one with more features.

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I know I’ve already displayed my bias…but the Grand Cherokee has won more SUV of the year type awards than anything else for a damn good reason…they’re great vehicles and offer a lot of capability in a refined package.

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AP?

Leaks I take care of when they start but definitely no love loss there. Don’t need oil spots all over my driveway

Just looked up 07 Wrangler 2DR Rubicon comparing to my 07 4Runner SR5 at auction. Both second from the bottom in trim level. The Jeep is slightly more expensive. Not a big difference.

We have a bunch of Wranglers at work ranging from 2011 to 2016. What bothers me most is how fast they start to show rust on the body. They all already have large paint bubbling around the windows, door hindges, headlights and hood. My 4Runner is older and has been in the same geographical area as the Wranglers. Never garaged and has no rust on body

Having said that if I could find a late 90s/early 00s Cherokee…not grand or Laredo…just a basic Cherokee 4.0 that isn’t just rust held together on hope and prayer or has more mileage than the space shuttle I’d be happy to grab one

There’s a local guy here that sells these. I was thinking about getting. Diesel too! Just not sure on how readily available parts are so I never followed through

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Just be sure to RUN fast from 2018-2019 Wranglers. The frame weld issues are too well known and they did a recall in November 2018. The track bar bracket to frame weld is known to break…

Looking at the welds in general on the 2018-2019 JL’s, they are very poor. Not enough penetration, over penetration, over welds, weld drip, slag all over and weld splash on the frame. It’s fairly consistent, some being way worse than others. It’s a pretty well known issue and a lot of owners are petitioning the NHTSA to do a larger recall.

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Jeep has won a lot of awards over the years and they deserved them most of the time, but there QC has gone to absolute shit and Fiat has done nothing but make them lower quality overall.

They have a lot of brand recognition and loyalty, when they are running they do well, it’s just how often you have to wrench on them compared to other vehicles.

I’ve owned 3 wranglers and 2 Cherokee sports, I spent more time wrenching on all of them than I spent wheeling them. I gave up after all the headaches. I wanted them to be good so BAD, but it just wasn’t reality.

It is great they have good resale value, cause I ditched them at minimal loss. 4Runners and Tacomas have the same resale value. It’s insane what a good 4th gen runner goes for right now in my area, absolutely insane.

I actually go wheeling a lot. Real trails, not just camping off-road stuff. Basically all I see is 4runners, Tacomas and Wranglers on serious trails.

The wranglers are the only ones I seem to see breaking down on trails. I’ve seen everything get stuck, but more than a handful of Wranglers with catastrophic failures that needed to be towed out.

I also saw a Chevy Colorado recently with the air bags deployed from a few bumps on an easy trail- the owner was pissed.

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No idea where AP came from. I blame Tapatalk and typos.

I also can’t speak to salted roads on my current wrangler, but I’m at the beach probably twice a month and don’t have anything abnormal…of course I do make sure and spray it down afterwards. I’m not discounting your experience, but it doesn’t jive with mine.

I’m not knocking Toyota at all though. They are great and capable vehicles.

As to leaks, I meant the roof. I did have the oil cooler housing crack, which is definitely a weak spot in the new engine. But it’s simple to fix and by and large I really like the pentastar. Wrangler’s are super easy to work on yourself even in their modern iterations…as long as you aren’t chasing down quirks like leaky freedom panels or something. Headlight bulb replacement is a pain, but I’m at 90,000 miles without needing to and when they go I’ll do proper LED replacements.

The old cherokees were amazing. I don’t know why they didn’t rejuvenate it as it was.

My BIL is a master mechanic for GM, and so I have guidance when I do any work. The things I’m afraid of based on his stories are not endemic to any vehicle listed in this thread, nor Toyota’s or Jeeps. Turbos, and disintegrating fuel pumps in large diesel trucks can be tens of thousands of dollars to fix…and way more common than folks want to think about.

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The SUV of the year that are awarded are for brand new vehicles, and do not account for any real reliability over the term of ownership. Lucky for Jeep because I don’t think they would win with the failure rate they have.

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Jeep markets a product that appeals to name-loyalty-whores. The phrase “It’s a Jeep thing; you wouldn’t understand” is the brand’s best friend because it paints a mystique in owning something that is far from trouble-free and would probably be long out of business except for the history going back to World War II.

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Jeep marketing is in the same league as Harley Davidson. Building shit for idiots, and charging a premium to do it.

FIAT is never going to improve build quality of Jeep products, no European manufacturer will. The Europeans do not fundamentally understand the mass market US vehicle consumer, and they culturally accept mediocre reliability more than US consumers.

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I wouldn’t say “idiots”. I’m a former Jeep buyer, and I’m not an idiot. “Sucker” is a better term. I’d have to plead guilty to that. I bought the claim that quality had much improved since the bailout days and that Chrysler had gotten its shit together. Lies.

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I didn’t buy into any Jeep aura, its just what I need and want in a vehicle and it looks great. All that being said, I’ve yet to see any other car manufacturer make a commercial like that, which is what this thread is all about.

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You bought one, got burned, and learned. The Jeep Koolaid drinkers are the idiots.

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This was by far the best Jeep commercial ever. It’s a shame my 2011 Overland didn’t hold up well. It’s hands down the most beautiful car I’ve ever owned. Real leather dash board and trim. Real wood trim. Beautiful saddle brown leather seats. The year I got it, my buddy bought a Mercedes e550 for $15000 more. When he got in my car he said “damn, this is nicer than my Mercedes!” I really loved it until recently.

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My boss’s friend has a JGC Diesel. I think 2014? Bought new. Seemed like a nice SUV inside and out. We took it for a 3hr work related round trip and he was getting 27mpg. Interior looked nice. I couldn’t tell if it was a true 4x4 or just a fancy AWD with settings for snow, sand, rock. He now has around 115k miles on it and recently had to replace the DEF filter. As far as I know that was his only problem

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They’re true 4x4.

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There are a series of videos on youtube where some South African’s that use their Land Rovers cross country got a GJC to play with and they were really impressed with the 4wd systems. You get a GJC with the high end systems and all the sensors and lockers and it can be an incredible automatic system. With the right tires and enough ground clearance, they can do amazing things in deep sand and snow, and rocky inclines and declines- more than the same era Land Rovers seemed to be capable of.

https://youtu.be/QcFDSbpJ7ug