So by this logic I REALLY want an afghani designed assault rifle since they been going at it since '79 right? I’ve never owned an israeli gun but after purchasing that mako furniture and seeing a desert eagle I’ve been somewhat put off their stuff.
I have an Aug a3 and a TPD AXR. Both are excellent rifles. My advice… let the mission drive the gear. My Augs get carried in day packs, with the barrel in a sleeve next to the receiver/stock. I also have a 20 inch barrel for a DMR type rifle. For me, the ability to break the rifle down very small, change the barrels quickly, and run a 42 round magazine are the key reasons for my Aug choice. The Tevor doesn’t deliver any of those capabilities.
I have had a Galil, an Israeli FAL, and still have an Uzi. Israeli weapons tend to be tough, functional, and reliable. Having said that, I think some folks assign a mythic quality to Israeli weapons. Will the Tavor be excellent, I hope so! I don’t see it replacing my Augs.
I know I’m late to this discussion.
But I own a Tavor, so I can shed a little light.
The Tavor ejection port is on the right side. It can be switched in about 15 minutes if you know your armourers manual AND have a left handed bolt.
The Tavor is substantially lighter than the AUG or FS2000s that I’ve handled, and has seen a some pretty dedicated fighting (Operation Cast Lead anyone?)
A huge part of the design is built around making the rifle easy to manipulate. So there are lots of grip points where the Aug and FS2000 are “slippery” or “thick”
Is the Tavor short or long stroke? I’ve see its BCG and it’s built like a tank.
From what I understand the Tavor uses a long stroke piston.
The piston and the bolt move together when fired. And I’ve had some British fellows complain that it’s “bouncy” for them and then pat their shoulders. The entire mass of the piston is coming back with the bolt, then dropping forward again during a cycle.
Thats long-stroke isn’t it?
Humm, I guess so. So deep there, just a fancy AK. 
Kidding.
Agreed.
And deep down all rifles are really just fancy rocks :rolleyes:
I think there’s a definite case to be made that the Galil is an enhanced AK, but the Tavor was built from the ground up by IWI.
both the aug and tavor are long stroke. I still think the fs2000 and keltec rfb have the best ejection system. Out the front, not having to worry about brass hitting you in the face no matter which side you’re shooting from.
Yes, but the Tavor bolt bears a family resemblance to the AK’s bolt hybridized with a AUG or F2000 Stoner multi-lug type. I’ve also never seen the cam track built into the bolt on a autoloading rifle
OTOH, AK bolts don’t generally shear their lugs off and the large lug has room for a wide extractor.
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I want both, and can’t afford either of them.:mad:
That argument is ridiculous. Because the bolt bears some resemblance to an AK bolt, except with a different lug design, it’s a fancy AK? Even though the rest of the gun is completely different?
Not to mention it bears almost no resemblance to an AK bolt, it looks much like an AR bolt:
Hey! The guy from MAC did a quick comparison, just what this thread asked.
You could say all rifles that lock up with a rotating bolt with front locking lugs share a family history going back at least to Mauser.
Or you could say that the Stoner type multi-lug bolts a share a common ancestry from the Johnson auto-rifle, while AKs and the like are more like a M1 Garand. Both are correct, it’s just what features you’re trying to emphasize.
The Tavor’s bolt is still more reminiscent of a AK in the design of the locking lugs and the stripping lug of the bolt. The external extractor design is more like a Stoner bolt.
Haven’t seen any designs that put the locking/unlocking cam on the bolt instead of the bolt carrier before.
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You apparently do not have a clue as to what you are talking about. No disrespect to our serviceman but this is comparing apples to oranges. Very different combat circumstances and tactics. This rifle (Tavor) was designed to be a CQB rifle out of the box with the ability to put accurate fire on a target at range as well. You really shouldn’t dismiss the combat going on there DAILY as a junior high lunch fight that’s pretty ignorant.
The cam path on the bolt is quite unique. It seems like that cut for the cam path may concentrate stress less than a circular cutout for a cam pin. It would be interesting to discuss that design aspect with one of IWI’s engineers.
A Tavor is on my “wish” list.
I actually think he was pretty spot on.
Edit : Don’t want to stir controversy.
For those wanting a tavor.
Not sure what msrp is but price seems reasonable compared to $2k dpms
I would like one myself, but am waiting till I start shitting gold nuggets.