Not as good as I would have hoped. I know it’s got to be me, but this is from 50 yards on a bench rest and using sandbags.
I got it zeroed, but I am surprised I can’t keep groups tighter when on a rest. I guess it’s getting used to the AR15 sight picture. With hunting rifles I usually have a better result.
I’m trying to improve my skills with iron sights before getting an Aimpoint.
Any advice or thoughts? Is this ‘ok’ performance for the BUIS at 50 yds?
Will I see an improvement with an Aimpoint/Eotech setup?
Looks good to go for me, assuming you’re shooting factory FMJ’s, but I’ve never been that accurate with my AR’s. An Aimpoint or Eotech might tighten it up a hair, but on the whole, you won’t see a drastic reduction.
Ok. I guess I am just hearing of people talking about punching the same hole at 100 yards and thinking I could do better.
It was with factory FMJ. (Federal 55 gr 100 pack from Walmart $39.95).
The AR sight system is interesting. I get why it’s good for combat, but for precision, it takes a lot of practice I guess.
I’m new at this with a week old rilfe. Love the rifle so far.
Keep shooting irons, it’s a dying skill to the masses. Once you get proficient with irons, you’ll notice they are more consistent and accurate than a RDS.
If your fundamentals are solid, it may be that the relatively thick, flat tip of the Front Site Post is causing the larger group. I have a thin sharp tip on my front site post and I shot surprisingly well with irons.
Not bad at all. I suggest next time you hit the range to set up @ 25yds and shoot a group. You should be able to hold about 1" @ 25yds if you are doing your part. Then try a group at 100yds if you have that option at your range. Mil specifications generally calls for 4" or better @ 100yds.
Take your time. Focus on that front sight post which should be centered in the small aperture of the rear sight, and practice proper trigger control.
ETA: Shoot groups of 5 for starters. Try some 10rd groups once you think you are dialed in.
I’ll definitely try the 25 yards and 100 yards next time.
I did notice my front site covers the whole red area of the bullseye. Also, I was using the large aperture. Maybe I should try the small?
I’m definitely wanting to master BUIS. I’m generally old school in nature anyway. I double clutch my downshifts even though new cars don’t require it, and on handguns, I hate the idea of lasers. I just like things the way they were intended… pure.
I’m working on my breathing and trigger control. The rifle is rested so I can focus on those things.
I love this rifle… did I say that already? :sarcastic:
I would go along with the above really consentrate on the fundamentals. Once you have that down you will be able to call your flyers and be better over all. Keep working on trigger control, your target looks like that is prolly your biggest issue. From what I can see you pretty close up and down (except for a couple) its just side to side (aka trigger). To work on that you can do the dime test or other coin. Just get in the prone unsupported have a friend put a coin on the tip of the barrel and pull the trigger. Make sure your weapon is clear first. The coin should stay balanced on the barrel. Keep working on it than start trying different positions, like kneeling or standing. Trying to get the same results keep the coin on. Good luck and have fun with it.
At 50 yds? What, about a 5 inch group? If you were aiming at high-center chest, that would mean kill-shot. I know you wanna get the absolute most out of your rifle, and for good reason, cause they are expensive, but if you can hit a pie pan at 50 yds, every single time, you can accomplish the intended purpose of your rifle.
Thats not bad shooting at all man, and with some practice, it will only get better.
You’re doing very good for using the large aperture, but you should definitely sight in using the small one as everyone has already said.
My DDM4v1 (one of the first with the non CHF barrel), using the small aperture (Troy BUIS), shooting 69 gr. Prvi Match can easily hold 1" groups if I don’t screw up too badly.
One of the things I did, was to use one of those Shoot-N-C style diamond targets about 2 inches in size. Then place the lower tip of the diamond right on top of the front sight post. I prefer it to a big circular shape.
Ditto here with my experience with my DD M4. It does take a bit of work to get the sight picture in the iron sights just right, but I was punching holes through a 1.5" target bullseye consitently in tight groups at 25 yards after a while.
With my ACOG, at 25 yards, I was literally putting bullets through the same hole or two, and at 50 the group was/is very tight.
At 100 yards, I’m getting fairly tight groups in center mass.
I think what we all tend to forget is that the M4 is a fighting rifle designed to bring down human targets and if shots are being placed in center mass consistently out to 100-200 yards, it is a deadly rifle for that purpose.
Small aperture time.