My next AR15 is going to be a basic but high quality carbine. Colt was first on my list until I read the thread about Colt outsourcing and seen people like Chris Bartocci slam Colt.
Are they still a baseline reference of a well made mil spec AR?
Yes.
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What he said.
Ditto
I bought a 6920 in 2016,put a colt 14.5” m4 barrel (pinned and welded),geissele ssa trigger and a ta31 h-g.it has about 3,500-4,000 ish rounds with nary a hiccup.i am very happy with its performance.
The build specs are pretty easy to find,I would compare with others in the price range(if they are even disclosed!!).to me the choice was an easy one.
I feel mine was an excellent value and have not experienced buyers remorse in the three years I have owned it.
Ymmv.
If you read all 40+ pages (unfortunately I did) then you would have seen that there was not one single actual incident reported in that thread. Just lots of fretting and stewing over markings and perceptions. There was no actual loss of or failed performance documented.
If your concern is along the lines of fit and finish, Colt is not the goal to strive for. If the concern is functionality, it is hard to beat.
^^^^^this^^^^^
Although the outsourcing stuff is concerning and unfortunate, and just kinda bums me out given Colt’s history with the AR, in the absence of any real evidence their current business practices are affecting quality, I’ll still continue to recommend Colt to anyone who wants to just buy a good off the shelf complete AR and be done with it, and they would still be my first choice for that as well. If evidence begins to suggest there’s a problem with current or future Colt’s, than I’ll change my opinion.
I just bought my 6920 a few months ago. Shot fine right out of the box, and was almost perfectly sighted in.
The bolt carrier is not “C” marked, and Colt won’t send me one that is. The bolt, upon close inspection, is “MPC” marked.
Some people are put off by the exterior finish of Colt rifles, but as was noted above, they’re not making them pretty. They make battlefield / law enforcement guns, which means (1) the do have to work, and (2) they don’t have to be pretty.
I like mine so far.
I’m not at all concerned about fit and finish, as long as it functions 100%. But it seems like the Colt 6920 is very hated on these days and called subpar.
I find Colt’s fit to be the best. Their finish has a few scuffs which is totally fine, but there are a few examples out there that are kind of not okay. 99% of Colt’s on the wall I would buy.
Let them hate all they want…as I said earlier,compare the basic build specs to the competition and you won’t find many competitors in its price range.
I might sound like a fanboy,but I’m actually just a guy looking to get the most for his hard earned dough.
I would think at least 40% of what is posted on these forums is unfounded gibberish,typically posted by people with an ar15 under their bed that hasn’t been fired more than a couple times…
My advice to you is;
Decide what the primary role is you are trying to fill
Do plenty of independent research
Rent one if possible
Determine your price range
Get the best basic components you can afford (barrel,receiver extension,trigger,buffer)
Just my .02$
I think you should give some consideration to the fact that you spent $240.00 on a trigger to achieve this goodness.
Regarding Bartocci, he clearly has a lot of affection and nostalgia for the Colt of old. So he seems legitimately dismayed over Colt’s outsourcing and some of their other tone-deaf business decisions, but when asked straight up if the outsourcing is negatively affecting the quality of Colt rifles his answer was a relatively fair (in my opinion) “We don’t know yet”.
I’ll still buy Colt stuff until there’s some indication I shouldn’t.
4,000 rounds in three years, that is more than average.
I just weighed the brass I have sitting to be processed from summer last year to today (actually last week) 47.3 pounds equals about 3,400 give or take in the last 9 or so months.
I know a lot of folks on the forum shoot more .223/5.56 than I do, but this poster of unfounded gibberish did it all without a Colt.
As you said - be a knowledgeable buyer, get reliable components. Research enough to understand the difference between BCG ‘A’ (with logo) at $169.00 and BCG ‘B’ at $89.00 (no logo) probably ain’t $80.00 worth.
Some manufacturers chooses not to deal with casting flash on parts of the receiver that might discomfort the shooter, especially with an A2 grip. Then ask yourself what other, unseen, cost saving measures that manufacture that might employ.
Above all, encourage folks to have a reason for their opinions and purchases based on something other than dogma.
I never said it had the best trigger in its price range.
I got that, but with what you paid plus cash out for the trigger, you are in this territory:
LaRue Ultimate AR-15 Upper Kit (assembled @ $792.00; unassembled @ $693.00) https://www.larue.com/products/larue-ultimate-ar-15-upper-kit/
add this:
LaRue Billet Lower (@ $199.99) https://www.larue.com/products/larue-billet-lowers/
And since all you would have to do is assemble the lower to have a complete rifle at $991.99 or, if you are even handier, @ $892.99.
Pretty sure it will #1 - be more accurate than the Colt; #2 - since it has the MBT, it won’t need another trigger.
Maybe apples to oranges, but that is the way I’d go before I bought a 6920 and put $240.00 trigger in it.
Yes…
Why are you sure it would be more accurate?
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