How many guns did Jesse James’s (the Southern one who lived 150 years ago, not the stupid Californian alive today) mother sell, claiming that they were his? Or was it his wife? Although, to be honest, I wouldn’t mind so much buying one from his family, whether or not the late Jesse James actually used it or - more likely - not. It would be, IMHO, somewhat like buying a gun from Chris Kyle’s wife. Except Chris Kyle wasn’t a criminal and I have no reason to believe his wife is a con artist.
The only personnel who were issued Colts were DOS and possibly OGA. Everyone else used crappy DPMS and Bushmaster. Many were still using AK’s of some flavor as well (non_DoD or DoS contracts) or commercial stuff. The hard and fast rule, was whatever worked for several years.
I’d be curious to know what happened to all of our NVG’s and stuff since there was still conflicting info being given out by the powers that be.
Only issue I see is WASR-10 are a legally importable configuration, the DPMS AR is not. I understand where you are going with the “temporary status” (it’s as if they never actually left the states) but my doubt meter is pinging hard.
Which shop? I would like to give them a call and see if they might ship me one. I wouldn’t mind getting another while they’re still available. I’ll put it aside for a rainy day.
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I just found this one on gunbroker and pulled the trigger on it. Total with shipping is $485. The guy said the photos are of the actual rifle and not just an example of what I might receive.
He’ll ship it ASAP and I’ll hopefully have it late next week or early the following week.
Ummm…isn’t this one of the AR brands that is regularly shunned on this forum? People get razzed for buying these.
for 400 bucks…should we be buying carbines that nobody in the AR General Forum would suggest at 800 bucks? Ones that have been abused by contractors in the sandbox?
I equate this to buying an Impala rent car with 50k miles on it. Shaky at best and a possible money pit.
Am I wrong?
-brickboy240
Not as an investment for the next panic or as a beater training gun.
Plus you could always put a better upper on the lower.
Yep.
DPMS’ motto: “Hey, we ain’t Colt but at least we’re better than Olympic!”
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Yeah I guess that is one good use for the thing. A Colt upper on it might be a decent shooter.
Also, cleaned up, the thing could yield a grand or more after the net Sandy Hook or Hillary’s election.
-brickboy240
Exactly. Make sure the gas key screws are tight and well staked, make sure the castle nut is tight and the end plate is well staked, make sure the barrel nut is properly torqued, check the bolt and extractor for serviceability, maybe swap out the recoil spring and install a heavier buffer, and make sure the rifling looks decent.
If all checks out, shoot the damn thing until it falls apart… and then you still have the lower and the upper receiver, which is probably fine to continue using as it transitions into another beater gun.
Hell, clean it up and rattle can it and he could probably flip it for a tidy profit to someone that doesn’t know any better right now.
Complaints with the gun at this point:
Commercial buffer tube and a stock that is loose/rattles on the tube.
No “M4” feedramp cuts.
1x9 twist.
No “F” marked front sight base.
Carrier key screws are well staked. Stock castle nut is not but the stock is straight and the nut’s tight. Headspace is fine and the extractor has good cat claws on the edges. Gas rings appear fine and are tight in the carrier.
Were I to take this rifle seriously, I would buy an LMT basic or BCM blem barreled upper to replace the factory part. I would also stick on a milspec tube and BCM M4 stock. I would then sell the DPMS upper for something like $200. Heck, I might do this stuff anyway.
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Oops. Double tap!
Honestly, unless you don’t have anything better (which I would doubt), is it worth sinking a lot of money into? It’s a soda can blaster and really should be treated as such.
No, not really. If the gun shoots and functions fine as-is, I probably won’t do a thing to it other than add an M203/side mounted front sling swivel.
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Better to just hit it with some desert tan out of a rattle can and sell it as a Mosul rifle.
Actually no, the WASRs were originally imported in usual configuration (single stack magwell etc), brought to 922R compliance, and then sent overseas on a temporary export. A WASR, once converted, doesn’t meet standard importation requirements, exactly like DPMS ARs. Lots of pictures of Ugandans with black American pistol grips etc, parts that one generally doesn’t see outside of the US.
Interesting part about the WASRs is that some have signs of being artificially distressed prior to being sent overseas (there are some plausible reasons for this but it’s all speculation).
Isn’t the issue with importability dependent on the number of US-made parts on the gun?
I would think that since the DPMS is all US-made, then it could be imported even with all the naughty bits.
I completely missed the part that we were talking about WASR 10s that came to the US then went to the Middle East and then came back again.
I just have to wonder why anyone in Uganda would pay anything for a WASR 10 with all the genuine AKs floating around that part of the world for half the price.
The Ugandans didn’t pay for them. They were merely contractors being employed by a US firm. One reason you’d buy WASRs and bring them over is quality control (yeah, I know that sounds funny when we’re talking WASRs). You know it’s new production and all parts are going to be [relatively] in-spec and functional. The amount of time and effort required to go over the details of an unknown quantity Kalashnikov multiplied by XYZ can be huge.
Furthermore there’s a possibility that you’d be supplying the enemy with cash for goods with in-country procurement (there have been legal inquiries into exactly that, especially before temporary export rules were ironed out).