IPhone discussion

IPHONE DISCUSSION :slight_smile:

I went from the 4 to a 4S as the 5 seemed more like a 4S with a larger screen, at least in terms of my needs/uses. The 4S seems superior to the 4 in most ways, but was a PITA when syncing from Itunes compared to the 4 I will say.

I got the 4S for $100 with contract. The 5 is out of stock around here to the max, costs $200 with a contract, and personally, I don’t need latest
greatest new tech, and don’t want to be an early adopter of tech and prefer to let a system work the kinks out/mature, and drop in $$$ before I buy.

I also didn’t want to have to buy new extras (case, etc) and they changed the docking set up, so either more stuff to buy, or all my stuff that docked with 4 (like a travel boom box I use) no workie workie.

4S is faster then my 4, has more memory, etc, works with all existing sh%$, etc, so all good for me for now. Have yet to play with the voice option to see if it’s worth using or a gimmick.

Apps, I’m pretty boring:

WhatsApp (used a lot to text friends in other countries, etc)
Skype
MagicJack
Interval Timer
Jibbigo (language translator that does not need to be connected to wi fi to work)
Facebook
Youtube
Ibook reader

I know, I’m a boring guy What’s your ā€œmust haveā€ apps?

I am interested in what you mean by this. The 4 and 4S sync the same way to iTunes (as does any iOS device).

That was not my experience. Bunch of things didn’t transfer as they were supposed to and spent bunch of time on the phone with tech help figuring out why. Couldn’t get it to take my WiFi password, and other PITA stuff that should have taken 10 minutes max backing up from ITunes.

I had read on a number of places complaints regarding the 4S and WiFi issues that seems to be a quirk of that version from what I read.

Seemed to have gotten it all squared away, but a fast easy process (like it was for the 4) it was not, at least for me.

Around Me
Searchit
Mapquest
Super pages
Quick Office
Adobe Reader
Drop Box
Ebay
PayPal
Google Earth
Angry Birds
Skee Ball
Words Free
Tango
Google Translate
LED Flashlight
Perfect Photo
HD Alarm Clock
HD Weather
Red Laser
Crackle
Fandango
NPR
Pandora
Tunewiki
TMZ
Hulu Plus
FOX
Huffington Post
AP
BBC
WSJ
CNN
Al Jazera
RT News

Most of those are free
HTH…as always YMMV

Oh, ok. I thought you meant general synching. You meant the restore of the old phone to the new one. I cannot comment on that. I’ve had my 4S since last December and I don’t remember what happened when I updated from my 4. I don’t remember any big problems but I could have had some issues. Been too long.

IIRC some passwords won’t restore from old phone to new due to differences in hardware keys that protect them.

Anyway,

apps I use regularly – or at least as needed, which may not be often. Some of these are specific apps for controlling home automation, or logging into servers, etc

WeatherBug
Fly Delta
DCU (my credit union app though most banking is at a different CU now)
Discover
Amex
Metronome
Indigo Touch
Kindle
MetrO
Speedtest
TouchTerm
iSSH
Screens
Dictionary (Merriam Webster)

plus a bunch of games
favorites being

geoDefense
GD Swarm
DoodleJump
Geared
Civ Rev

and a bunch of others that I occasionally play

I’m kind of boring too.

Jumping from a 4S to a 5 doesn’t seem like a worth while way to spend some cash. I’ll probably go to the 5 when I can get my hands on one simply cause I’m a dork. Wife will probably go to a 4S although the dork has been wearing off on her lately so she may surprise me :).

I have a bunch of apps but my go to ones are

Tapatalk
Netflix
The Weather Channel
Drudge Report
Ballistic
Kindle
Waze

Have a bunch of others on there, but I rarely use them. My son also has a stash of games to keep him pacified on road trips and such.

I’m a dork too and will be paying full price for a 5 [since I am not up until July having just gotten the 4S last Dec]. I have a business excuse as a developer needing one to test against but it is really the dork part of me :wink:

I am interested though in what WOULD be a worthwhile upgrade from the 4S for you. Since the significantly better performance, significantly better camera, and bigger screen are not enough…

Wife will probably go to a 4S although the dork has been wearing off on her lately so she may surprise me :).

My wife does not care – she uses what I give her. She is on a 4 for like 28 months now so will get a mid grade 5 to give her more space as she is always complaining about it running out of space to take new videos and pics of kids.

I used to give her my old one but now I either sell it to some place like Gazelle and use the money in the upgrade or I keep the older one for testing purposes.

I have a bunch of apps but my go to ones are

Tapatalk
Netflix
The Weather Channel
Drudge Report
Ballistic
Kindle
Waze

Have a bunch of others on there, but I rarely use them. My son also has a stash of games to keep him pacified on road trips and such.

Endomondo

It’s the shit for running!

I went from a 4S to 5, I got exactly what I wanted: lighter, thinner, and slightly higher resolution, helpful when viewing emails.

The updated Netflix that makes use of the larger display is nice, but it’s a work phone so I don’t really care. Pictures and videos look much nicer on the 5.

My battery seems to drain faster than the 4S though, even though I turned off lots of location services and keep a minimum number of apps running.

I’ll post here as an Android user but fear not… I’m not your typical fanboi. I really hoped that the new iPhone 5 would be a giant leap forward in technology because whenever a new phone comes out that’s a big leap forward… we ALL win as consumers. Even if you are an Android fanboi an advanced iPhone means that Android phones then have to step up their game too. Competition breeds greatness. As it is, I’m disappointed. The new iPhone really isn’t want it should or could be. There were a lot of technical features that were left out and IMO they missed the mark with this one. Not only would I not upgrade from a 4s if I had one but I’m bummed that Apple kind of sent out a larger displayed 4s as ā€˜all new’ because it means that a few of the Android based phones that are already on the market (HTC One X & Samsung Galaxy S3 for instance) have the edge and the forthcoming phones (LG Optimus S for instance) will offer a significant improvement. I know that most Apple users are pretty loyal but this latest version of the iPhone has caused several of my friends to jump ship to Android based phones and they’re all happy after a short adjustment period. I know Apple will continue to set record sales because of the marketing they’ve done over the years but I think time will tell that this latest iPhone 5 will hurt Apple more then it helps.

Just an independent observation from a neutral but non-Apple user who likes his technology. :smiley:

But it was a giant leap forward in technology. It is probably the most advanced mass market currently available smartphone available.

we ALL win as consumers. Even if you are an Android fanboi an advanced iPhone means that Android phones then have to step up their game too. Competition breeds greatness. As it is, I’m disappointed. The new iPhone really isn’t want it should or could be. There were a lot of technical features that were left out and IMO they missed the mark with this one.

Like what? Some specifics please.

Not only would I not upgrade from a 4s if I had one but I’m bummed that Apple kind of sent out a larger displayed 4s as ā€˜all new’

The iPhone 5 is most definitely NOT a larger screen 4S. So you are off base right off the bat.

because it means that a few of the Android based phones that are already on the market (HTC One X & Samsung Galaxy S3 for instance) have the edge

Compared to the iPhone 5, the Galaxy III is a big, clunky, slow POS. Much worse performance, crappier screen, and the need to stick a huge brute force processor in to even get where it is at running the hugely inefficient OS called Android, and needing huge batteries to meet the same use. The Galaxy III has no edge.

and the forthcoming phones (LG Optimus S for instance) will offer a significant improvement.

To maybe get close to the iPhone 5 performance?

I know that most Apple users are pretty loyal but this latest version of the iPhone has caused several of my friends to jump ship to Android based phones and they’re all happy after a short adjustment period. I know Apple will continue to set record sales because of the marketing they’ve done over the years but I think time will tell that this latest iPhone 5 will hurt Apple more then it helps.

Just an independent observation from a neutral but non-Apple user who likes his technology. :smiley:

If you truly liked technology, you would appreciate the technological advances Apple included in the iPhone 5.

The A6 processor is far advanced compared to the processors in most of there smart phones. It is much more power efficient and much faster than other currently shipping processors in other smartphones. This is because Apple advanced the technology in the processor. Creating their own ARM core design, integrating advanced graphics cores, and their own power saving technologies into a leading processor. The A6 at 1.3ghz dual core outperforms the 1.5ghz dual core as found in the GIII by a wide margin and also outperforms, in many benchmarks, the 1.4ghz QUAD core found in the international GIII. And it sips power at a lower rate to boot.

The camera on the iPhone 5 is recognized as being the benchmark and a worthy upgrade in an of itself. That is mostly software technology advances.

The other chips Apple designed or helped with to provide huge increases in power miserliness are all top flight and leading technology.

Another example is the in-cell technology Apple helped develop to make the screen panels thinner and more miserly in power usage.

And the physical packaging of the iPhone 5 is also a technological advance. The form and fit, dimensions and weight, at the performance level reached, is a higher level of technology.

Apple is able to provide the same or much better performance than the Android phones currently shipping in a much lighter and thinner package. Anyone can throw raw horsepower at a problem. Real technological advance is seen when you get the same horsepower in a much lighter weight package.

A large V8 with 500 HP is nice. But anyone can do that. A lighter, 3.0 dual turbo generating 600 HP with much better gas usage is much better and requires true technological advances.

Stop comparing raw specs as that only hides the inefficiency of the OS and is only valid if every competitor is gunning for the same goal of huge numbers. Compare PERFORMANCE SPECS to see where the true technological advances are/were made.


Dang, your write up almost makes me wish I had gotten the 5 vs the 4S. The S seems a major step up from the 4 and fits my needs (per OP comments) but the nerd/tech head in me makes me want a 5 now!

No worries Will, your strategy of being a generation behind has a lot going for it. While the raw technological and performance increases are real, the 4S, upgraded to iOS 6, is basically at the same level of performance of the GIII in many regards [on most benchmarks the 4S with iOS6 is within a few percentage points of the GIII US edition], yet you can do it at a significant reduction in cost. A year ago I paid $399 for a 4S with 64GB. I am not sure what size you got in terms of storage, but you paid $99.

It is fun to always have the latest, but it is expensive, and not always a necessity. (In my line of work it kind of is since I am writing apps for the phones and you need to be able to test and make sure you run on the whole gamut of phones that are out there but I otherwise would probably be going every other generation if I was just a user and not a developer).

The problem is that to the Android crowd, including the latest dubious technology equals usable performance, or better usability, which is laughable. There are a lot of NFC equipped Android phones out there. How many places can you actually use one? How does it improve the user experience? At the moment, there are very few places that can accept such payments in the US, and I am not sure the user experience is any better. Maybe worse. I am not sure I want my phone service provider to be in on my other purchasing and have anything else to do with my finances. When the market is ready for improved payment systems, perhaps NFC based, I am sure that Apple will show us how to actually make it a usable and useful technology.

We are all better off with the competition and I welcome Win8 phones to the market as well for that reason. Sometimes Android comes up with some advances, sometimes Apple does, and MS will be coming up with new things that advance the art as well.

Comparing raw specs is not one of those advances. It is really a form of straw man.

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Thanx. Unless I need it for work, etc, as a rule, I avoid being an early adopter of technology as other then bragging rights, there’s little reason to do it in most cases I find.

There’s no sense having this conversation with someone who starts a post out like this. Enjoy your iPhone 5 and all the marketing hype that surrounds it. Especially the parts where they make it seem like they’ve pioneered something that was previously unheard of. Like that display you mentioned that’s so much thinner that Apple pioneered? Yeah, there are a few Android phones that have had that for a while now. In fact, my previous Evo 4G had that and my newer Evo LTE has an even better version. It uses two layers instead of three to decrease the thickness and thereby allowing for a thinner form factor overall. Apple did that though with this all new iPhone 5… right? Apple developed that? Mhmm, sure. I could go on but I can tell already that you have drank the Koolaid so it wouldn’t matter what I told you.

Only a true Apple fanboi can take turn what I said into some sort of reason to get all defensive and turn on attack mode.

Like what, the truth? The actual technology inside the iPhone 5 is more advanced overall than any Android phone out there. Only raw-spec hounds cannot understand that.

The technology to get the best performance on the market in the lightest and thinnest form factor is more advanced than any raw horsepower based technology.

I asked a specific question: what technological advancements SHOULD Apple have included in the iPhone 5 that would have made it worthy in your opinion? Since you ignore the real technological advancements.

Enjoy your iPhone 5 and all the marketing hype that surrounds it.

Marketing hype does nothing for me. Usable performance and well engineered, technologically advanced stuff does, however.

The facts are, it is technologically superior. If you don’t think so, please provide counter examples or counter-proof.

Especially the parts where they make it seem like they’ve pioneered something that was previously unheard of. Like that display you mentioned that’s so much thinner that Apple pioneered? Yeah, there are a few Android phones that have had that for a while now.

Really? While it could be true, name one Android phone using single layer in-cell LCD screens (second layer being bonded to the glass)?

AMOLED screens on Android phones do something similar, embedding the capacitive touch layer in the display layer. But, for example, Samsung’s own flagship phone the GIII has a far inferior screen in terms of color fidelity and correctness.

We are talking about LCD in-cell technology use with a screen that performs any where near the iPhone 5 screen in color fidelity, gamut, and correctness.

In fact, my previous Evo 4G had that and my newer Evo LTE has an even better version. It uses two layers instead of three to decrease the thickness and thereby allowing for a thinner form factor overall.

Nothing I have found, including on HTC’s website, nor in any review, mentions the EVO 4G/LTE using LCD in-cell screen technology.

Apple did that though with this all new iPhone 5… right? Apple developed that? Mhmm, sure.

I did not say Apple developed it (alone). Apple worked with LCD manufacturers to introduce it in smart screen sized panels (in-cell display panels shown a year earlier were 7" diagonal around 1280x600 screens) in a mass market smartphone.

Like HTC developed ANY of its HW technologies… It basically just packages other people’s chips together. At least Samsung develops some of its own technologies.

I could go on but I can tell already that you have drank the Koolaid so it wouldn’t matter what I told you.

I have not drunk any kool-aid. I understand technology, and see where true technological advancements are made in making things faster, lighter, and use less energy, not in having the biggest V8 on the planet. And as a SW engineer, I also look at the innards, and the iPhone has much more efficient SW compared (mach kernel and compiled C/ObjC) to the bloated Linux and faux-Java innards of the Android phones.

There is no use in having a conversation with a spec hound who thinks that spec-lists show better equipment. Spec-lists mean nothing. Actual usable performance means a lot more than some check-off list of specs.

Only a true Apple fanboi can take turn what I said into some sort of reason to get all defensive and turn on attack mode.

True Apple fanboi? Dude, the fanboi moniker is best applied to someone who posted what you did, trying to make claims that don’t make sense but what you adhere to none-the-less. The true fanboi appellation belongs to someone who makes general comments about Android phones technological superiority based on some sort of spec-list and ignores real technological achievement. Someone who thinks that the only reason people use iPhone is because of some magical marketing department and really potent kool-aid when the truth is just the opposite. Most of the people I know who use iPhones do it because of overall general usability, cleanness of design, and overall usefulness. Most Android fanbois are left drooling over their spec lists without realizing that the reason Android phones have such big batteries, such big V8 iron under the hood is that they need it to try and perform up to par with others like the iPhone who are much more efficient.

Android has nice features and there are definitely some people better served by an Android phone. But not because of better specs, because when it comes to the specs that matter – usable performance – Android phones are playing catch-up most of the time. I don’t care if your phone has a quad core 200000ghz XYZ processor. If does not perform better than a competitor phone using a 1.3ghz dual core processor, that extra ghz is just a waste.

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Put my name on the list of 4S owners who can’t connect to home WiFi. Pissed, I’m about to throw this thing. I was much happier with my Android phone. Doubt I’ll go with Apple again next upgrade. I went with Apple mainly for the iTunes compatability. The Navigation is the worst…

I have the iPhone 5 and love it. Upgraded from the iPhone 4. The turn by turn navigation is pretty sweet and guided me through downtown St Petersburg when I was lost. Gotta say they hit one out of the park here.

The only issue I have is I can’t connect to my school’s wifi, it will connect to the guest one though. I think there is something wrong on the school’s end though because the log in page won’t come up to register the phone in their network.

I think in the real world, the choice between the iPhone and whatever Android phone is one of user preference more than anything else. And Chad, as much as you are talking about Android folks getting caught up in specs and the lack of applicability of that to ā€œreal world usabilityā€, I think you are getting down in the weeds as well with your benchmark and single whatever LCD talk. There isn’t any longer a real world difference in usability in my experience, with the current generation of Android devices on ICS/JB.

As to the assertion that the GS3 is a ā€œclunky, slow POSā€ with ā€œmuch worse performanceā€ so on and so forth. It’s a bit hyperbolic and over the top, aside from being inaccurate from my perspective (in terms of real world use).

You will note I did not include your characterization of the phone as ā€œbigā€; the size is one advantage of the GS3 and the current class of Android phones. I know the Cupertino party line is that no one needs a screen bigger than 3.5ā€, err, I mean 4" but a whole hell of a lot of people appreciate a larger screen. Doesn’t mean there’s anything wrong with a 3.5"/4" screen, different strokes for different folks and all. It’s cool and all that the 5 is so thin…it’s not like the GS3 is thick by any stretch. I don’t have a GS3 but my wife’s in the smaller Otterbox fits in my front jeans pocket just fine, and unobtrusively so…and I’m an average size dude.

Did Apple not have turn by turn nav until the 5?