Instructor Skills and SERPA Bashing

http://www.downrange.tv/blog/instructor-skills-and-serpa-bashing/12426/

It has become popular of late to bash Blackhawk’s SERPA holster as unsafe and while I understand the concern expressed, it simply is not true. The mishaps that have occurred with the SERPA are shooter error not a poor holster design. There…

Can I understand why some instructors are banning the SERPA? Sure, if improperly used the SERPA can create an unsafe condition in their class and they really don’t want to test their liability insurance. I just believe an instructor does not only impart knowledge and build skills; he/she should also offer solutions for real world problems.

As I’m not a fan of the Serpa myself, but think about how many Blackhawk has sold over the years, think about how many are in use in Iraq/A-stan and then think how many AD’s there have been. I would guess it is a low percentage based on how many are out in use.

Some of us have to use what is issued to us so we better be trained on how to operate it safely.

KevinC

The instructor for our ccw class last year wouldn’t allow them either.

I understand why but I also agree that the number of AD’s compared to the number of these holsters in use has to be a very small percentage overall.

I’ve used one before and had no issue with them, but do not own one or care for them personally.

The mishaps that have occurred with the SERPA are shooter error not a poor holster design. There…

Shooter error magnified by a poor holster design.

There.

:jester:

safety is not the only reason instructors bring up - getting debris caught between the holster and release button can lock it up, preventing you from drawing the pistol. i’ve actually had this happen to me, but it was a small twig from a bush on the ground i was lying on, not a rock.

i notice he didn’t address that commonly brought up issue in the article.

Why someone would carry a Blackhawk Serpa over a Safariland ALS is beyond me. The only job for your booger hook should be to press the bang switch at the right time.

And I know someone will bring this up too. The M1 Garand and M14 have their safety inside the trigger guard. It works fine since to take it off safe you press it toward the muzzle, but I’m not a fan of that either.

I agree… I mean… I shoot a lot. Every weekend… And I didn’t like the Serpa at all.

Aside from it being a complete piece of shit… it made me uncomfortable using my trigger finger in a motion towards the trigger.

I don’t think anyone has yet mentioned the relative ease with which one can detach the holster from the belt with a good twist either.

Any device that requires human perfection as a pre-requisite for proper function is only to be used by Angels and Fools.

I like things that help augment my strengths and combat my weaknesses, not the other way around.

Also the fact that if you go to the ground a piece of rock/debris could get jammed in the release mechanism.

ETA: I see it’s already been brought up. That’s what I get for posting before reading the entire thread. :wink:

Nailed it!

The flaws of the Serpa design only really come out when the operator is pushed for speed and stress. There are a number of ADs and holes in legs due to the trigger finger having the double duty of releasing the pistol from the holster and discharging the pistol.

Any word on when the Tex Grebner Signature Model is due out? I’m thinking they may be too late for Christmas this year.

Okie John

Could not agree more. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve sat there in disbelief listening to people go on and on about how great their Serpa Holster is and I just don’t get it, especially when it is a law enforcement officer doing the talking.

There are several issues with the Serpa design;

  1. Why in the hell would you place a retention device through the trigger guard? Yea, I know…the locking piece should never contact the trigger, but why do it?

  2. Minimal dirt or debris will lock up the retention device.

  3. Under stress (like I don’t know somebody shooting at you) it is easy to insert the finger into the trigger guard on the draw. Yes, this is to a large extent a training issue, but as previously mentioned it’s a design flaw that creates a foreseeable event.

  4. The attachment method for the holster to the belt attachment is exceptionally weak.

Given the negative attributes of the Serpa I can’t see why anyone who has a choice would carry one.

they should make an aiwb model to test the courage of their fanbase :stuck_out_tongue:

I just believe an instructor does not only impart knowledge and build skills; he/she should also offer solutions for real world problems.

Most do offer solutions by recommending to stay away from the POS.

I left the following comment after the article.

“You fail to address the issue of debris locking the holster up. You also fail to address the inability of the mounting platform to survive a vigorous take away attempt. If it was safe, nobody would be banning them from their ranges. I defy you to name an top instructor/range that bans the Safariland ALS system.”

Their response…“Your comment is awaiting moderation.”

Lets see if they allow it to post.

I’ve never been a fan of the SERPA. We use Safarilands for duty & I have Safariland ALS or SLS holsters for all my handguns.

I’ve heard before of debris in the locking mechanism locking up SERPA holsters. We crawl around in grass & dirt regularly with our drop leg Safariland rigs & I’ve never personally seen one of them lock up, even though the Safariland retention system is more complicated & has more moving parts.

Has anybody else had the Safarilands jam?

I have a great deal of experience using the Serpa system over the course of three years. I felt the need to comment on Dave’s article.

I may also e-mail him since I have his addy and we talk on occasion.

That there are significant issues with the Serpa system past the trigger finger issue is more than a little correct.

I have never had a problem with SLS/ALS locking up. I work outdoors in a very rural setting.