Was just watching Fox News and saw a Live Desk segment showing 615th Wing doing practice vehicle stops in the desert somewhere.
Every airman in the security element was equipped with an AR variant with carryhandle removed from flattop _ no BUIS or optic.
Inspirational, I tell you.
A lot of airmen on LightFighter bemoan the fact that the Air Force is afraid of weapons as an institution.
I think there is a link here between those guys and this one from a recent thread… 
Oh man, wow and WOW! :rolleyes:
I am glad that I am not the only one who saw that. I was like WTF, over?
The sad part is that they were supposed to be a high speed unit that forward deploys to set up and establish air fields.
Butty in the Marine corp was telling me last time he did training maneuvers he saw guys with there carry handle mounted one side and the VFG mounted on the opposite side on there A-4’s
That is actually somewhat common here as well. The reason being that many Marines are issued ACOG’s and their M16A4’s are equipped with carry handles. So they mount the carry handle forward on their rails in the event that the ACOG is damaged. 
In addition an associate of mine who is on a contract doing refurbs on Army weapons has told me that they are removing all carrying handles on M4’s and they are being replaced with a rear BUIS instead. Sadly they are demilling all the carry handles rather than selling them to recoup money. Many of them are like new.
I saw that but thought I was mistaken. Don’t think that is indicative of all Air Force members…there are some career fields who know what they are doing (ex. Combat Control, Pararescue, TACP).
“…and the training is rough.”
shooting without sights would, i think, classify as “rough”
This forum isn’t that stupid or childish.
True.
Probably more about resources (optics) being utilized in areas NOT in the California desert. Scopes…No shooty, no needy.
i’m sure that’s all it is. they probably got issued new weapons right before they went out on this FTX, and didnt get carry handles or 68’s in time to go. i’m sure they dont generally train with no sights
but it’s fun to rip on airforce guys anyway
Damn, I’m going to have fun tomorrow. 2 of my students are from the 615th CRW.
Before anyone asks, no I do not teach them ANYTHING you saw in the video. I teach a principles of instruction course, nothing firearms related. So don’t blame me for any of that crap, I’m just as embarassed as anyone else.
i don’t get this They mill in the pic. rail??
What would the cost diff really be from selling and replacing comparied to the milling work??
He means they are destroying and throwing away the detachable carry handles rather than sell them.
Ok, I am confused.
Demilling = demilitarizing aka destroying… NOT milling work on a milling machine.
They carry handles are removeable from the flat top uppers. Once removed, they are destroyed (demilled) rather than being sold off. The upper already has a pic rail on it.