In Kenosha, WI: Carjacking victim to be charged with endangering attacker?

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I’m hoping more will come from this but the initial reporting doesn’t make Kenosha sound any friendlier than it was last year for Rittenhouse. Does anybody know or have you heard anymore about this?

KENOSHA, Wisconsin - The 13-year-old girl who allegedly tried to carjack someone on Friday night in Kenosha will be facing charges, as will the driver who shot her. The girl was shot while trying to steal a car from a gas station at the corner of Sheridan Road and 50th, police said. She remains hospitalized. Kenosha police said on Sunday that charges will be referred to juvenile court. The driver remains in custody on a single charge of recklessly endangering safety.

https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/13-year-old-carjacking-suspect-and-person-who-shot-her-will-both-face-charges-kenosha-police-say.amp?taid=60f526794f7e8d0001f2aff9&utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=trueanthem&utm_source=twitter&__twitter_impression=true

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That’s messed up. It seems to me, and I am no lawyer, a decent lawyer will take care of this and it’ll never see a courtroom.

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Pretty thin on the info. My guess is that you can’t use deadly force to protect property.

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I believed the error to the shooting is that she was driving away. He shot at her from behind. Unless she was driving at him, he is probably going to face charges.

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In many states it is illegal to use deadly force to protect property. If the carjacker was armed, or tried to take the vehicle by force, then a case for self-defense could be articulated. But if she simply jumped in the car and attempted to drive away while the vehicle’s owner was outside, I can see why he was charged if she posed no threat to him directly.

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Without details, its hard to say. Did she jump in a running car and attempt to drive away so he blasted her, did she use a weapon to get him out of the car, then try to drive away? Did she present a weapon and get shot? Did he mag dump all over the neighborhood?

Andy

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The “Recklessly endangering safety” charge sounds suspiciously like he was just charged for discharging a firearm in a public area.

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That’s a good point. I was only seeing it from “I feared for my life” point of view. There are definitely things we do not know.

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Did the shooter leave his/her car keys in the ignition?

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Yes, it was left running unattended.

Last article in the local news quote him as saying he intended to shoot put the tires. He thought it was within his right to do that.

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It’s too bad that liberal states give the criminals more rights than the victims. All of these mofos that don’t think it’s morally correct to defend your property using force have probably lived a sheltered life and never felt the loss, fear and intrusion of being victimized. Or they used to be the criminal…

I hate to say “in the gold ole days” but about twenty years ago where I live a guy shot a 19 y/o kid breaking into his car- the kid had a screwdriver and told the victim to F-off when confronted and subsequently got shot. There was some media buzz about shooting to protect a car and whether the screwdriver was a deadly weapon or threat. The DA shut the questions down, saying “when it comes to citizen versus criminal, I’ll side with the citizen every time.”

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I don’t have a fundamental problem with that. However, legally he’s gonna be in a world of shit for the reasons you stated. Good thing the carjacker made it though…the real victim in this incident would be facing more serious charges and a future cure for cancer or other Nobel-level achievement would never happen. :rolleyes:

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Damn, the shooter doesn’t sound like the sharpest tool in the shed, given both the key-in-ignition and “shoot the tires out” aspects of this case.

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Not nitpicking but a 19yo is an adult, and should be considered as one. A year younger even and he could join the military and be killing folks before ever turning 19.

Now does a 19yo seems like a “kid” to me at almost 56? Yeah.

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https://www.kenoshanews.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/shooting-brings-multiple-charges-teen-car-theft-suspect-expected-to-survive/article_f44af613-3e1f-5492-a414-099e84146f9b.html

Details for those asking.

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Thanks for posting the link with more details. I think I will slightly change my opinion. Carjacking (as the news reported) is robbery, what occurred is larceny. There is a significant difference. Though I do think property crimes are a big deal, i also think that there’s got to be some discretion used by the victim, and it appears it was not used in this case…

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If more thieves got shot there would be less stealing. You can’t claim “all lives are precious” when we have on demand abortion and the death penalty. The crooks decide their life if worth your property when they attempt to steal it.

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If they were shunned by the community and in the case of this 13 y/o punished at home there would be less theft.

I guarantee someone will raise money to help with the family’s “medical bills” and if the girl had been arrested not shot, Moms would have been more pissed about the time and effort to pick her up at the jail than raising a thief. I know the feeling in the community is that leaving a car unlocked and running means he asked for his car to be stolen.

I would be shocked if they even prosecute the little bandit but guarantee they will the owner. Can’t have a black man trying to protect his property with a gun, can we?

Andy

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Two Points,
One; You left the car either running or with the key in the ignition. Dummy.

Two; If you value your life like I value my stuff, leave it alone. It’s that simple.

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Now that more details have come out, I understand the charges. I can’t imagine leaving keys in a vehicle let alone running (I don’t do that at my own house out in the country), but I also don’t believe it would have gone this calmly if the theft victim was white either. I’d still like to see surveillance footage because I’m sure it’s already evidence.