Impact of AB 962 on ALL of US

Interesting and truthful article from one of the few smart reporters on the Left Coast, should anyone think California (soon to become America’s first FAILED state) is an island:

http://www.examiner.com/x-2879-Austin-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2009m10d15-Californias-new-ammunition-law-Costs-and-consequences

With the passage of AB 962, anybody purchasing handgun ammunition in California will have to register with the state starting on February 1, 2011. What this means to gun owners in California, and the rest of America, will have repercussions for years to come.

California consumers will have to provide their name, address, date of birth, and right thumbprint to the seller in order to complete the transaction. The seller must maintain these records for at least five years and make them available to inspection for any law enforcement official conducting an investigation where ammunition records may be relevant.

All transactions must be conducted in person, so mail order sales will be banned.
According to the National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF), California consumers buy about 1.2 billion rounds of ammunition annually, about 12% of the total U.S. market. While some of this is rifle ammunition, there’s some vagary in the new law which may result in rifle ammunition purchasers being included under the new law:

Where ammunition or reloaded ammunition may be used in both a rifle and a handgun, it may be sold to a person who is at least 18 years of age, but less than 21 years of age, if the vendor reasonably believes that the ammunition is being acquired for use in a rifle and not a handgun.

This reasonability test creates a gray area, and considering California’s anti-rights history, any doubts will likely side towards the seller requiring your personal information. For example, people with .22 rifles may have to register, because of all the .22 target pistols that fire the same rounds.

Bottom line: If rifle owners believe they have somehow escaped unscathed, they are only fooling themselves. Also, there is nothing stopping the legislature from revising this law to include all ammunition in the future.

Impact on ammunition availability

Cabela’s is already on record that they will discontinue California ammunition sales when AB 962 goes live. Between high demand, and the hassles created by the new law, Cabela’s has no motive to continue selling there. This drop in supply will raise prices for California consumers, but supply redistribution will benefit ammunition buyers elsewhere, possibly resulting in price decreases.

The NSSF predicts that California ammunition costs will “dramatically increase” under the new law, but they see no negative impact on prices elsewhere.
AB 962 may also result in ammunition inventory issues nationwide through next June. The NSSF says that ammunition manufacturers are already working at full capacity. As far as manufacturer’s deciding whether the last year’s increased demand is an aberration or trend, NSSF says “the jury is still out.” This means that there are no planned increases in production in the foreseeable future.

Vendors concerned about AB 962

Cheaper Than Dirt fulfills the needs of shooters and outdoorsmen via their extensive hard-copy catalogues, online and phone sales, and online community. Currently, California accounts for 8% of their ammunition sales. They are experiencing persistent supply shortages in many handgun ammunition calibers: .380, 9mm, .32, .38, and .45 are all in “very short supply.”

Cheaper Than Dirt has not yet seen a demand spike in California, but says that since the residents of California have until February 2011 before the new law takes effect, they anticipate increased demand beginning around November 2010, when the reality of the law sets in.

After that, Cheaper Than Dirt “will no longer sell ammunition to residents of the state of California.”

Lucky Gunner, a mail order ammunition retailer based in Knoxville, Tennessee, says there continues to be a nationwide shortage, especially in certain handgun calibers: .380 and .45 ACP sell out immediately; 9 mm Luger moves just as fast, but remains in stock because it’s the most popular caliber, so more is manufactured.

Lately, Lucky Gunner has seen a sales spike in California, which usually comprises 10-15% of their total volume. They expect ammunition sales there to remain high until AB 962 goes into effect. They are researching a possible workaround, which would involve shipping ammunition to a store with a Federal Firearms License, who will then perform the final sale to the buyer. In this case, the additional costs incurred by Lucky Gunner and the FFL will be passed along to the consumer.
Lucky Gunner expects a “definite impact” in long run: California sales are expected to drop after February 2011.

As with Cabela’s and Cheaper Than Dirt, this may be good news for consumers in other states, because if demand levels off, other states will consume any additional inventory created by a drop in California sales. In this case, online ammunition vendors will experience no negative impact, meaning that they will not be driven out of business.

Bottom line: The California market is still huge. If consumers there increase their high-volume purchasing, prevalent nationally since last year’s election season, this will reduce availability and drive up prices for everybody. Also, fear of this happening may start a new rash of buying in hopes of stocking up before the new California Brass Rush.

This would, in effect, accomplish one of the aims of anti-rights politicians: By making ammunition too costly for more gun owners, they render more firearms non-functional, which is the long-term goal of gun control advocates.

Legal fallout

California is often considered a test ground for state gun laws: If it passes in California, a law gains a certain amount of validity by its very existence. In legal terms, this is called precedence, which the Legal Dictionary defines as “established doctrine, legal doctrine.” By becoming established doctrine on one state, a law becomes a credible reference point for those seeking to enact the law in another state.

Bottom line: Watch for ammunition registration schemes being proposed in your legislature.

Call to action

California’s new ammunition registration is not simply one state’s issue. It will have harmful consequences for years to come for all of us:

· Any price increases caused by AB 962 create an effective functional gun ban by pricing ammunition out of the reach of poor and middle class families, who must choose between feeding their children and protecting them from predators.
· Resources used to advance our civil right of self-defense will be drawn off to counter proposals for this new “sensible” gun law in other states.
· Mail order ammunition vendors may be at risk of losing enough sales to force them out of business, or force them to raise prices to remain profitable, negatively impacting all of us.
· Ammunition prices, just starting to level off and drop, may be hit with a new wave of fear-based buying, driving prices to new highs.
· This money, in turn, will not be available as contributions to pro-rights organizations in our continuing fight to restore the Second Amendment.

AB 962 was a major victory for the anti-rights crowd, whose goal is to leave you defenseless against violent predators. Anybody still sitting on the sidelines is effectively sitting on their head.

AB 962 is a few steps less than DROSing a firearm. All the paperwork w/o the 10 day wait.

Hopefully the Calguns Foundation and the NRA will have this reversed.

And another interesting tidbit, law enforcement is not exempt either. My Dept. has been struggling to get ammo, our range even had a 3 month period where they closed because of no ammo to practice with. With all the problems here, it amazes me the liberal idiots running this state feel they have to push for this.

This was a frustrating loss. A lot of us called, sent letters and emails, recruited friends and just politicked the hell out of the issue. To no avail.

Thats because our great leaders dont give a rats ass about the citizens.We’re just the overtaxed slaves who fund all of their schemes.

http://nramemberscouncils.com/cgi-bin/petition.cgi

Please pass it on to anyone who would be willing to sign it…

There are people who sell guns who wont sell to people on the left coast, i wonder how they will feel about selling ammo now over the internet to them.

I worked in firearms wholesale for over a year. In that time I sold exactly 1 pistol to California. It took me 5 hours to complete because of all the BS checking I had to do. From that point on I ignored California and threw my book of FFL deals from there in the trash. Looks like Ammo is the same way now.

Here’s a real kicker:

http://clubs.odcmp.com/cgi-bin/report_eventAward.cgi?matchID=4689&eventID=15&awardID=1

The junior team from California beat all other teams including military in the Infantry Trophy Match at Camp Perry this past summer.

Vote with your feet - leave the vermin to the hellhole they’ve legislated into existence. :mad:

I am a LEO in California and this is what I have to say to all ammo vendors, magazine sellers, and firearms manufacturers. STOP SELLING TO CALIFORNIA LAW ENFORCEMENT! PERIOD! If the honest law abiding people of California cannot purchase or own these items than the cops shouldn’t be able to either. Take a page out of Ronnie Barrett’s book and man up! We need help out here and the only way we can get it is from the Firearms Industry and people from other States. We are trying to vote these morons out of office but the next clown turns out to be the same or worse, look at Arnold. SEND A MESSAGE AND BOYCOT CALIFORNIA! When the people tasked with protecting the week and worthless can no longer do their job the laws will quickly change. Believe it!

Here in Vermont one of our Representitives is attempting to issue a Bill that would require all Non-Gun Owners to pay a 500$ tax, for not owning a gun.:wink:

Ammo Manufacturers should do what Barrett did, and not sell to a state that does not support the 2nd Ammendment. Unless ALL gun owners and industry unite, legislation like this will become more prevelant.

Worth repeating:

The NRA and Second Amendment Foundation make a good national team.
People in Calfornia know about Calguns and the other state organizations.

Good. I am glad LE is not exempt. They shouldn’t be exempt from any gun laws as a matter of principle, and perhaps this will wake up the LE establishment in CA to start bitching alongside the regular plebes about these ridiculous laws.

I just saw that this article was written by Howard Nemerov. It’s the guy who wrote the “400 years of gun control, why doesn’t it work” book. Amazing book btw, filled with real figures. He is a medical researcher by career. He actually used to be very anti gun until he dug into the figures and were persuaded by the facts. I consider him of high integrity since he puts the facts before everything and allowed himself to be changed by them.

http://www.amazon.com/Four-Hundred-Years-Gun-Control/dp/0981738222/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1262453737&sr=8-7

I suggest anyone read it if you have time, its very good.

Chapter 1: A Brief History of Gun Control
Just as the title says, this chapter gives you a quick history on gun control. It exposes how the initial gun control laws were used to disarm blacks, Native Americans, and select groups of immigrants.

Chapter 2: Modern Experiments In Gun Control
This chapter explains how recent civilian disarmaments in England and Australia have failed to make those countries safer.

Chapter 3: Product Defect or Defective Policy
This chapter discusses how gun control advocates are trying to control guns through consumer protection laws by having them declared to be defective products. Nemerov turns the table and shows why this idea is a defective policy.

Chapter Four: The Politics of Gun Control
This chapter discusses the political side to gun control, lawsuits against the firearm industry, and more.

Chapter Five: The Information Machines of Gun Control
This chapter is definitely worth more than the price of the book alone. It discusses how gun control advocates have used the media to control the flow of information. Numerous firearms related studies are also broken down and clearly explained.

Chapter Six: The United Nations and Global Disarmament
This chapter deals with the real threat that the United Nations poses against our Second Amendment rights.

Chapter Seven: By Their Own Words
This is a short, but very powerful chapter. It discusses what the statistics from anti-gun groups actually prove.

Chapter Eight: Call the Cops
This chapter discusses how Clinton’s “COPS” program was not responsible for the decrease in crime during its time period.

Clearing up a bit of personal history
10:06 AM PDT, July 11, 2008
There seems to be a growing story that I set out to prove that gun control was better, but what I found out led to a conversion process. Only the second part of that sentence is true. I realize it makes for dramatic copy: Gun ban enthusiast gets converted despite his best efforts; the truth wins out; flowers and a big trophy for making it to the finish line; we all live happily ever after. But it is not true.

I set out to find the answer, if possible, when I couldn’t easily rebut a law enforcement client who was clearly for civilian firearms ownership, and what I found surprised me and led to my conversion. The idea that I set out to prove a predetermined conclusion makes me appear to be a biased researcher. I began with questions at the outset: Does gun control benefit society? Are women safer in countries with civilian disarmament? Did violent crime rise or fall after gun bans are enacted? Are the conclusions and sound bites promulgated by gun control and pro-gun proponents credible? What do their data sets show, when examined in toto? If their data sets do not corroborate their conclusions, then is their agenda valid? I made one predetermined decision: I would not accept numbers, or even sources, from gun-rights proponents; everything they claimed I would rebut or corroborate using government sources or sources that were cited by––and therefore validated by––gun control organizations. Then I gathered data and saw where the preponderance of the data led. This created the conclusion. That’s the way investigative research was taught to me.

This process is not without the risk of consequences to me. I spent over three years of my personal time doing this. I never received one penny of income from any gun-rights organization or wealthy gun-rights supporter. Nobody gave me special discounts or gratuities in terms of firearms, ammunition, accessories, etc. Being a health care researcher, I risked losing business by publicly proclaiming what many interpret to be a political statement, because self-defense has become a political football. One of my students reported that a perspective student walked away because they did an internet search on me and objected to my articles. One very successful business client strongly recommended that I do not proceed with publishing on gun control for this reason.

I decided that I did not want to live in a society where “regular” people suffer from the policies enacted by those who do not have to live with the consequences. Both houses of Congress have their own police forces. Presidential candidates travel with Secret Service retinues carrying concealed handguns. Wealthy people don’t need to own guns for self-defense, because they can afford to live in gated communities with armed security guards. Wealthy executives do not need to carry concealed handguns for protection from kidnappers because they can hire high-end personal security details to accompany them in public. Laws are written so that these private security professionals are excepted from gun control laws in order to carry firearms in public. No matter what side of the political spectrum one is on, this seems neither democratic nor in keeping with the principles of our Founders:

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.” (Declaration of Independence)

Amazon instituted this Connect feature so that readers can interact with me directly, so have at it. Any questions or comments are welcome, as long as they refrain from personal attacks, off-topic attempts to pull the conversation away from gun control, and black-helicopter conspiracy theories. If you have an idea, document it first and discuss it intelligently, using reliable source data and not “so-and-so says.”

They really do not provide any incentive to move to that state form a personal or business stand point with crap like this.

Another reason to abandon that state, and leave it to implode under it’s stupidity. If people would move, their would be no tax to collect to fund the social experiments that spawn from it.

I agree. If the manufacturers stopped servicing LE in California, you would see a quantum change overnight. LE exemptions in CA are all about having the cops sell-out, so I say boycott.

Of course, CA has a huge share of the firearms market, even with all of the crazy schemes. I imagine Ronnie Barrett can do it since he owns a pretty significant niche market, and doesn’t need LE. I doubt that’s the same with ATK, or Armored Holdings, etc.

Howard Nemerov is a good man, as he truly had an open mind, and he is a true convert.

In the meantime, I know about 10 cops who picked CA-Legal DDXV’s in an attempt to leverage their Chief into signing LE letters for assault weapon registration and approval. If it fails, they are content to at least have a 10-round long gun they didn’t used to have…

Stupid CA laws. Schwarzenegger is a sell-out RINO.

Sounds like time to move out of Kali, don’ try to fight it or fix it, just jump ship America still exists elsewhere. How much liberal stupidity can any sane person take?

You’re wrong on fleeing California. You cannot run from California or contain it’s stupidity. We need to fight it here. Californians and their liberal policies are exported everyday to other states in this country. Look at the States that are battleing stupid gun control laws as we speak. Arkansas, Tennessee, Michigan, Oregon, Washington, Nevada, Minnesota, etc. The list goes on. Some of the laws are trying to be established at local levels and do not make the press. Other laws are being intorduced at county a state levels. I’m telling you if you allow California’s stupidity to succeed the reprocussions will reverberate through the country. Does anybody remember what happened in 1995? California stupidity at it’s best.