Based on this article, assuming it is as is given (which I do not doubt), we need some real reform in immigration laws.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/19/nyregion/19judge.html
I am all for strict enforcement of the laws for those that come here illegally.
But this sort of thing makes me mad.
Why? He broke the law, and as an immigrant he is supposed to go back home.
I dont want immigrants coming here to commit crimes, and because of some sob story he gets to stay? Relaxing enforcement just means more immigrant criminals we cannot send back home, and not all of them are going to have some bleeding hearts supporting them.
Shouldn’t have even been allowed in the first place…
He came here legally, at the age of 5. He was not a criminal when he came. As a teenager he committed some minor crimes for which he did his time in reform school. I am not of the opinion that the laws were made to send people like this home. They were meant to send the real criminals, not juvenile deliquents, out of the country.
I dont want immigrants coming here to commit crimes,
He did not come here to commit crimes. He was 5 when he came with his family, none of whom committed crimes and all became productive citizens. He was a teenager – a juvenile – when he did some dumb things. Not a hardened criminal.
and because of some sob story he gets to stay?
Does the concept of justice mean anything to you? Does not sound like it.
Relaxing enforcement just means more immigrant criminals we cannot send back home, and not all of them are going to have some bleeding hearts supporting them.
It does not mean that. I did not say we should relax enforcement. We should change the laws to what sort of crimes, by what sort of people (adults, juveniles, etc) should count. We should also take into account extenuating circumstances. Has nothing to do with sob stories. It has to do with justice.
Shouldn’t have even been allowed in the first place…
Ignorance is bliss.
Hope you are having a blissful weekend.
The teenager, a gifted student, was pleading guilty to a string of muggings committed at 15 with an eclectic crew in Manhattan’s Chinatown.
Shoplifting is dumb, a mugging is a violent crime and a string of them makes him a real criminal.
I agree, he paid his dept, got his shit straight and became a productive member of society, which is more than you can say for more than a couple shitbags in this country that just take their citizenship for granted.
Did you read what the muggings actually were?
“In December 1995, he and two other teenagers, one of them pretending to have a gun, took a jacket from a young boy. In two episodes in April 1996, he and others robbed elderly men of money, knocking one down and punching another; he took part in a fourth mugging that June, records show.”
I agree not some sweet innocent kid, but rather dumb juvenile actions – minor actions. Not a career muggist. Someone who banded together with friends for protection (as noted in the article) and got on the wrong path with those friends. As a juvenile. Went to reform school and got turned around.
Justice was served. There is no justice in deporting him. Deport the illegals and the dangerous criminal immigrants, whether legal or not.
“In December 1995, he and two other teenagers, one of them pretending to have a gun, took a jacket from a young boy. In two episodes in April 1996, he and others robbed elderly men of money, knocking one down and punching another; he took part in a fourth mugging that June, records show.”
Committing a crime where the victim would be justified in shooting you is not just a juvineil action. I am sure if that happened to your kid or you grandfather you would not be so happy to have him here.
I agree not some sweet innocent kid, but rather dumb juvenile actions – minor actions. Not a career muggist. Someone who banded together with friends for protection (as noted in the article) and got on the wrong path with those friends.
He didnt not become a career mugger because he got locked up. You can say it however you want but he was a gang member involved in criminal activity.
He should have been deported after he turned violent. The fact that some time has passed between his proposed deportation and his criminal acts does not change anything to me. If anything it shows the system is too slow in returning these people back where they came from who come here, and turn into violent criminals.
Age is irrelevant. Lots of “kids” do “adult” crimes but it doesnt change the crime that occurred.
The way I see it immigration has some conditions attached to it. He broke those conditions by turning to violent criminal acts against our citizens, and he should have that privilege of being here revoked.
I would have exactly the same thoughts that I already do. I would not have been asking for him to avoid punishment, but once he did his time and showed he was rehabilitated he should not be deported. That serves no purpose and does not satisfy justice.
He didnt not become a career mugger because he got locked up.
That may or may not be true. But I am not saying he should not have gotten “locked up” (he seems to have gone to reform school, not juvenile detention). I am saying that once out, for what were minor crimes committed as a juvenile, he should not be deported 15 years later.
You can say it however you want but he was a gang member involved in criminal activity.
Not “gang member” in the modern sense. He and a few friends had too much time on their hand. They were not (based on the article) in any organized gang.
This post is an example of what is wrong in this world. Sorry. If you cannot see the difference between some bored and (growing up on the streets of NY) scared kid doing some stupid things, getting caught, and straightening out and the career criminals in organized gangs that come to this country, or come as kids and turn to a life of crime, then I am sorry for you.
In this case, justice (the concept) was served. Injustice does not need to be foisted on this guy by an overbearing government with mixed up and screwed up laws.
This kind of story only empowers the “amnesty” crowd who wants all the illegals to be allowed to stay and to open the doors to all sorts of people who should not be here. If we cannot have a sane immigration policy where good people can come here legally to make a better life for themselves and to make this country better, because we cannot differentiate between these people and the scumbags, we are doomed as a country.
Unfortunately thats the speed INS works at. I agree its shitty do be set in your life, and then face deportation but part of the punishment for being an immigrant and committing violent acts is you lose the privilege of staying here. He has managed to skip out on that part of his punishment which to me is still due. Lots of people manage to skip out on justice, and live “comfortable” lives until what they did in the past catches up with them…doesn’t change the fact they still have to owe up to what they did.
It is hard for me to say he should be deported NOW, but clearly the system failed at the time. Im sure for every story like this there are 100 where they did become a career criminal, because “reform school” does as much reforming as a federal prison. The only reform I see that is needed is more deportation of people that come here and commit crime.
The dude did a series of violent criminal acts, and per the law he should have been deported. Its a bit of an injustice to take so long getting him out of the country but its still the punishment for his crimes. Maybe he should have been a better member of society if he didn’t want to face his punishment.
I don’t care about his sob story of why he committed those crimes. Bored kid? When I was bored I didn’t go rob people on the street repeatedly. Thats a sorry excuse for becoming a violent criminal, and doesn’t change what he did. Everyone has a reason or excuse for their criminal behavior but they still need to be punished, and according to the law in this case he is to be deported.
? Are you saying people shouldn’t be allowed to immigrate to this country?
And as far as facing deportation, it’s BS. He was sentenced and paid his debt to society. It’s not a matter if you agree on the punishment or not because that judgment isn’t yours to make.
So no he shouldn’t be deported.
Part of the legal punishment for what he did is deportation so no he did not pay his debt to society. He managed to shirk the rule of law until it caught up with him.
Now, since its been a long time, there is some sob story about how he should further be able to avoid the law and remain in this country. So every alien that commits a crime, and then gets away from the deportation for so many years gets a free pass while others who face their full punishment get sent packing?
And you’re right. I don’t get to set what his punishment is. The law already does that, and the law says he should be deported. Now people want the law to be neglected because it hadnt been enforced yet.
I don’t agree with immigration from 3rd world countries especially communist ones.
So you’re family that immigrated to this country came from a wealthy country? Last time I checked this country has made by people from poor countries. Kind of the reasons they came to America, because the countries they left offered nothing for their future.
okay.
I read the article.
I suspect he’ll get to stay, it will take two years of wrangling and hearings, his savings will be wiped out, everyone will have a bad taste in their mouth, but he’ll get to stay.
The greatest injustice here, his mom still cant speak english, she never took time. send her ass back home 
If you had to work long hours (more than likely 12 plus hours per day, 6 days a week) to make only a few dollars and had to take care of your family, do you think you have time to go to school to learn?
Communist is a government and not a way of life for some chinese people which is why some have immigrated here. By the way, McCarthyism is long gone and over with. The U.S. have some of the best and brightest chinese that immigrated here. You would want productive immigrants, regardless of what country, who can help and benefit this country rather than closing the borders.
yes. if she WANTED to bad enough, she would have.
with the latin community, its most often the children learn in school, come home and teach the parents.
MY SIL in Bolivia has learned pretty good english doing this. Her kids learn english at school, they come home and do the lessons with mom. takes less than an hour a day.