Demand has driven the pice already. In one day at my local gun shop a M&P15T went from $1200 to $1600. Can’t wait to see the prices when the supply starts drying up.
I went to my local gun store last night. they said right before the election they sold a lot of pre ban A.K.'s, pre ban A.R.'s, post ban A.R.'s and are all sold out of mags. They have not had a run on ammo. Yesterday was quiet, they attributed that to post election shock.
Probably a $$ hungry gun store owner. They’re still $1250 locally.
Yeah gonna be a lot of folks taking advantage of the panic even though it’s doubtful there will be any sort of “ban” legislation presented/approved before 2010!
I hear you. All this false urgency will only cause an inflated price bubble to form. The day my come in a couple years, but it certainly won’t be tomorrow. I am not panicing…yet.
ammoman.com was so busy that they shut down ordering yesterday, internet orders are back up today but still no phone orders.
Did the seller force the buyer to lay his money on the table thereby “taking advantage” of said buyer?:rolleyes:
Ignorance of this variety is dangerously stupid.
No, but if everybody raises prices now, then they are profiting from something that has not even taken shape yet. That profit is derived from a what right now is a false sense of panic.
In other words, no price gouging would be appreciated. The time may come, but it is not here yet.
Care to explain…maybe without the condescending comments?
My apology.
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It’s is widely published Obama policy that he fully intends on institutng a NON-EXPIRING AWB.
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Biden himself authored an AWB.
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HR1022 is already written, just waiting to be pushed through and significantly harsher than the previous AWB ( http://www.gunlawnews.org/110th-House-Bills/hr1022.html )
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There is absolutely nothing in the way from that being pushed right on to his desk and rubber stamping it immediately.
It’s an easy early “victory” that’s going to be a feather in Obama’s cap that he’ll need once it’s obvious subjects like healthcare, foreign policy and the economy are significantly more difficult to succeed with. It is dangerous to under-estimate the enemy, and I firmly believe that we’re where we are now for that very reason. RKBA rights lost now, will be lost forever. These laws do not get repealed.
I am aware of HR1022, but not as much as I should be. I am going to do some reading up today on it’s full content and likely time lines. Hopefully by the end I am not transformed to yet another panic stricken buyer. :eek:
Thank-you for the information.
And when the next AWB happens, we force the NRA file a federal lawsuit and get an injunction. Then we take it through the courts and ultimately get a decision from the SCOTUS defining just how much the government can limit our rights. Somehow I feel they will not uphold a blanket ban on semi-auto rifles. Round limits are another issue and I have no idea what they would consider reasonable. But I do think we could make the claim that the ideal self-defense pistol is one similar to what that police departments most often issue - right now a high capacity .40 Glock.
Of course, this would have to happen with the current court, which I believe will continue with another decision in the Heller vein. If a couple justices retire and get replaced with Obama’s likely far-left choices then all bets are off as to what they will decide.
And this is another reason why they are likely to delay an future AWB’s - Obama and the dems need to load the court first with their appointees.
Hunh, he’s not even pres yet, and already the economy is experiencing rampant inflation. Oh joy for the next 4 years. :mad:
Other than prayer and vetting good people for 2010, I think the best thing we can do is send the Supreme Court justices good vitamins. We can’t afford ANY appointments for FOUR MORE YEARS!
As long as only liberal justices retire, and are replaced with more liberals, the balance of power won’t shift. My fear is that Scalia will get sick or die. He’s the one that is holding it all together.
Then again, as long as the republicans in the Senate can still filibuster, they can block all of Obama’s apointees just like the democrats did with Bush’s appointees. Turnabout is fair play, isn’t it?
The great irony is that we freely admit liberal justices vote along ideological lines rather than with the rule of law and the intent of the framers of the constitution.
An interesting, related article from the NRA website…
Election triggers upsurge in military-like firearms sales
Obama backs renewing the federal Assault Weapons Ban
By Sheena McFarland
The Salt Lake Tribune
Article Last Updated: 11/06/2008 06:16:31 AM MST
Click photo to enlargeFrank Baer, the owner of Patriot Arms and Gun Repair in… (Paul Fraughton/The Salt Lake Tribune )«1»As polls and pundits in recent weeks increasingly pointed to the election of Barack Obama as the next president, scores of Utahns flocked to gun stores.
Obama has supported renewing the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban, which stops the manufacture of several semiautomatic guns with large magazines.
“Such weapons belong on foreign battlefields and not on our streets,” Obama’s Web site states.
Local gun dealers quickly are running out of stock of magazines for Colt AR-15s and AK models and many have seen a sharp increase in the sales of those guns.
“Pretty much anything with more than 10 rounds is in high demand right now,” said Michael Martin, a The 1994 federal Assault Weapons Ban
The bill banned, by name, the manufacture of 19 different weapons:
* Norinco, Mitchell, and Poly Technologies Avtomat Kalashnikovs (all models)
* Action Arms Israeli Military Industries UZI and Galil
* Beretta Ar70 (SC-70)
* Colt AR-15
* Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR, and FNC
* SWD M-10; M-11; M-11/9, and M-12
* Steyr AUG
* INTRATEC TEC-9, TEC-DC9, AND TEC-22
* Revolving cylinder shotguns such as (or similar to) the Street Sweeper and Striker 12.
The 1994 law also prohibited manufacturers from producing firearms with more than one of the following assault weapon features:
Rifles
* Folding/telescoping stock
* Protruding pistol grip
* Bayonet mount
* Threaded muzzle or flash suppressor
* Grenade launcher
Pistols
* Magazine outside grip
* Threaded muzzle
* Barrel shroud
* Unloaded weight of 50 ounces or more
* Semi-automatic version of a fully automatic weapon
Shotguns
* Folding/telescoping stock
* Protruding pistol grip
* Detachable magazine capacity
* Fixed magazine capacity greater than 5 rounds
Source: The Brady Campaign
The ban »
The 1994 federal Assault Weapons Ban mandated that all U.S. gun manufacturers stop making semiautomatic assault weapons and ammunition clips holding more than 10 rounds, except for military or police use.
The ban was allowed to sunset 10 years later under President George W. Bush and a Republican House and Senate.
sales representative at Impact Guns in Salt Lake City. “We had one supplier go from 92 assault rifles to 12 in one day. Our suppliers are just frantically scrambling.”
Customers at Fuzzy Bunny Movie Guns have expressed their worries about a renewed gun ban on the store’s online message boards, and the past 10 days have brought major jumps in sales.
“For customers out there thinking about getting one of these guns, don’t think,” said James Bunten, president of FBMG, who has had to order stock much further in advance to guarantee his store’s stock. “At least put money down on it now to get a place in very long line.”
While many avid gun owners now are buying $3,000 worth of guns, accessories and spare parts instead of the more typical $1,000, they aren’t the only ones stocking up, according to Bunten. He has seen a big increase in people wanting to learn how to use the large assault rifles by signing up for classes at the store.
“I’ve seen a wider demographic of customers. There are more and more professionals. I see doctors getting assault weapons instead of just their hunting rifles,” Bunten said.
Charles Hardy, Gun Owners of Utah policy director, said he has seen the same trend in the past week, as polling showed Obama increasingly likely to win the White House.
Obama has said he is a supporter of Second Amendment rights, “while keeping guns away from children and from criminals who shouldn’t have them,” his Web site states.
But Hardy says Obama’s support of an assault-weapons ban goes against gun rights and is spurring sales.
“You don’t really appreciate something until you lose it,” Hardy said. "People who have been casually interested before now have the sense that ‘If I don’t have [an assault rifle] in my closet, I won’t be able to get one.’ "
That attitude makes Gary Sackett, a member of the board of directors of the Gun Violence Prevention Center of Utah, nervous.
“It’s always a concern when there are more lethal weapons out in the hands of people where such lethal weapons have no function in society, even for self-defense,” Sackett said. “An assault rifle is not an appropriate weapon and is more likely to cause an accidental death or severe injury.”
He hopes with Obama in office and a Democratic majority in both houses, new gun legislation will surface soon.
The 1994 federal Assault Weapons Ban mandated that all U.S. gun manufacturers stop making semiautomatic assault weapons and ammunition clips holding more than 10 rounds, except for military or police use. The ban was allowed to sunset 10 years later under President George W. Bush and a Republican House and Senate.
But it’s the reality of that ban that has triggered gun owners to grab up assault rifles, Hardy said.
“Now that we will have someone who is openly hostile to the right to keep and bear arms in the White House, gun owners and those who hope to one day own guns have woken up and they are nervous,” said Hardy.
smcfarland@sltrib.com
Define price gouging. Who enforces the “rule” against it?
Other forums are keeping track of who is gouging and who is not. While these dealers have the right to choose their own prices, we are free to make note who are the good guys. Look at what is happening to Spike’s after he bumped up his lowers. He is in the middle of a turd storm right now.
Dealers need to consider the ramifications of their actions, or at least justify their increases. Gun owners have long memories. Heck, look what happened to Cooper Firearms since he voiced his support for Obama.
The employees, shareholders and board of directors of Cooper Firearms of Montana do not share the personal political views of Dan Cooper. Although we all believe everyone has a right to vote and donate as they see fit, it has become apparent that the fallout may affect more than just Mr. Cooper. It may also affect the employees and the shareholders of Cooper Firearms. The board of directors has asked Mr. Cooper to resign as President of Cooper Firearms of Montana, Inc.
People were not lying about prices going up one of my clients wanted to get an AR I told him about a local gunstore that had a Colt 6920 they didn’t have any in stock and he ended up paying 1,200.00 for am oly amrs.
See Iraq Ninja’s post above. I won’t start knit-picking this point with you.