No argument there. And I was trying my hardest to be kinda slutty. Again, I’m just glad the technology didn’t exist when I was a kid. We’d have sent pictures to everyone just to prove we were actually getting laid. It required actual effort and skill back then.
It’s not. I just don’t believe they need one. It is not a nessesary essential. I believe if they want one, get a job and make the payments themselves. When my son is older I will not pay for him to have a cell phone. He wants to use the internet he better have completed his chores. He wants his own tv, xbox, laptop, quad, bike, anything like that, he will earn it and/or pay for it. Parents nowadays just hand their kids things and they never learn the value of them, never learn what it means to work for and truly earn something. The feeling of earning something is much sweeter than being given something. It is the true prize rather than the goods paid for with the profit.
I am not sure where you are going with your rants but if a kid today isn’t well versed in internet stuff by 18 they are well behind the curve. Most places now don’t even accept paper applications anymore.
We had payphones at my school. Thats what you used if you didn’t have a cell phone, and it’s rude to expect to use other people’s cell phones. A team of 15 kids, and you think someone there should hand out there personal cell to 15 kids everyday to say practice is over come pick me up?
We don’t have a home phone. My 6 year old twins will grow up in a house without a home phone. We haven’t had one for like 3 years now.
It existed when I was that age, and I can’t recall a single incident of it that I personally knew of.
This is as overblown as banning AR15’s because a few nuts use them in shootings.
thats what I wonder what is the real ratio of kids that do this to those that do not ?
I know some have it happen to them by being setup ? but have to wonder how many that is for real ?
we had some folks do stupid stuff instead of doing this but like said it was not down for ever unless someone took a pic and usually buy now they are gone since there was one copy ? and the negs were lost
I am saying they need to work for or pay for it. Plain and simple. I am not saying they can’t have access to it. What school doesn’t have a landline? Tell me that one. There are offices, teachers, parents, supervisors all around at any place a kid would be at for extra cirricular activies like sports practices, clubs, any of the sort. Those places will have landlines, phones they can use if needed. They are not going to be out in the middle of no where with 15 other kids practicing for next fridays game.
Maybe other places are different but I was never allowed to use school phones to call home. They are certainly not going to line up an entire sports team to call parents.
Most parents get their kids phones so they can get ahold of their kids…like I said its not the other way around.
I don’t know the school you went to but they can’t deny a kid from calling their parents and why the hell would they? Does not make any sense.
If they are done with whatever they are doing they can walk their happy ass home if their parents didn’t bother to be there the time they were scheduled to be done. If they are going somewhere with a friend the parents should set a time hack for them.
Cell phones have become a want in disguise of a need because this downward spiral of a culture has emplaced a false sense of need for them as well as materialism.
I don’t know about you but surfing porn sites, bootlegging music and an addiction to social media isn’t relevant to a job (which is what 99% of kids do with computers). Most jobs require knowledge of word, excel, powerpoint, photoshop, acrobat etc. When was the last time you seen a kid teaching themselves how to use those programs themselves? Never unless they were made to or have a passion for computers. Most schools teach kids how to use computers anyway. Again they DON’T need internet. It is a privilege. If they want it, earn it.
The whole point is kids should earn these things or pay for it themselves, not be handed to them at will. I am not talking “sheltering” them, I am talking make them learn the value of things by earning them. They will respect whatever it is much more.
I lived 20 minues from my HS by car, and that is on rural roads with 55 mph speed limits. Walk home? Nope.
I am not sure what world you live in but cell phones are 100% needed today for an adult. My wife’s job requires one, and the the job before that paid us $60 a month for her to have one. My job requires one to have the job, and they don’t even pay for it. All were applied for online, and they don’t accept paper resumes or applications.
Kids do earn it if you want them to. As I said my kids are 6, and they are putting away groceries, helping bringing them in, cleaning their rooms, putting their clothes in the dirty laundry, putting clean clothes away, taking care of our cat, doing homework, ect. Thats how they earn stuff, and when they are older they can take more responsibility like doing all their own laundry, privileges come with good grades, and they can lose stuff if a poor grade is worth it to them.
We had over 500 people in my graduating class. School phones were not for students. They put in pay phones for students. Thats how it was.
Any kids that far from where they need to be, their parents should be tracking start and end times.
I never said for adults. I was talking about kids.
As far as resumes submitted online, that has nothing to do with surfing the internet. Like I said about job required knowledge of programs, you think a kid is going to be writing and submitting resumes unless made to? Chances are not.
They want anything other than what is absolutely needed, earn it or pay for it.
You missed my point. Kids earn stuff by doing stuff around the house. That is them getting used to working, and as they get older they graduate to doing more and getting more. Your job as a parent is to prepare them to be adults.
Making them ‘pay’ as in $$$ is putting the chicken before the egg. If you provide that stuff, like a phone and internet, and they abuse it or don’t use it to graduate up into higher stuff then you can take corrective action.
I for one am very glad we started using computers and were using the internet at an early age.
This may cause you a stroke but my kids already have a Tab 2, and guess what? They get to use it after they do their chores, and aside from things like vacuuming they clean their room, they hang up and put away their clean clothes, and all the other things I already mentioned.
They had us on computers in 1st grade, and am thankful for it. I want to immerse my kids in technology, and get them used to how things work as early as possible. At the same time we have people tell us all the time how great they are, how polite they are, and their teachers joke with us that at the end of the year they are taking them home with them. I grew up in a fairly easy going household, and me getting my DL was blessing for my parents.
Sounds like you are more authoritarian, if you were one of my parents it would have been a miserable time for both of us. Im stubborn enough I would drive you up the wall, and have a smile on my face.
Sweet bejeezus . . .
Smoking hot female 20 and 30 something teachers “sexually assaulting” male students. High school girls sending naked cell phone pics out for spank bank usage.
WELL IN THE HELL WHERE THEY WHEN I WAS IN SCHOOL?!?!? 
You still are not understanding. This is the last time I am saying this, you don’t understand after that then I don’t know what to tell you.
I am saying they will not get any of that in the first place unless they earn or work for it. Like you said by chores while young and chores/job as they get older. They will not be given them initially and then corrective action taken later if misused. They will earn things like that before hand. They will be tought manners, how to do things on their own, how to work on things to fix them, cook, clean and so on. As far as tablets, phones, ipads, ipods, mp3 players, that stuff will be paid for by themselves. A computer they can earn. Clothes, shoes, those things will be bought for them until they are old enough to earn/buy what they want. Soon as they are old enough to work a washer and dryer, they will do their own laundry. They will be told to go outside and play vs. sit on a damn computer surfing facebook or screaming at a tv playing xbox. They will be tought if they want something, earn it or work for it. It will be implimented in incriments as they get older. They will not be given things unless it is a special occasion. Now this is referring to pre-teen - teen years, not like when they are 3, 4 or 5. When they are children then it is all based off behavior and needs.
The only person on this planet that can drive me up the wall is my soon to be ex-wife.
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This thread does not deliver. LOL
Much less prevelant in society…
Belmont at some point you have to draw a sensible line and never forget it can damn well be done. Finding absolutely no fault with the readily available filth in today’s society being absorbed in multiple venues by the impressionable and often unguided is blatantly ludicrous.
And stop comparing guns to music and the rampant sex and violence. There is no valid argument to be presented between the two. I agree with and respect your desire to be left alone, but everybody ain’t you so wake up.
Is the fundamental parent-child relationship supposed to be something other than authoritarian? Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for compassion. But do you run your household like a democracy or see your child as an equal in important decision making?
I’m with Endur on this one - 100%.
For those of you thinking that 16 or 17 is an acceptable age for teen to experiment with sex, do you feel this way if it was your daughter “getting laid?” I’m not oblivious that it happens. I just don’t see it as something that should be seen as good or acceptable. When parents stop pushing this issue, it becomes socially acceptable. Once acceptable, it becomes common place. Then, kids start publishing their exploits and the Internet is the new bathroom stall to record the escapades…
Agreed. For his birthday my 9 year old got a new iTouch, one of which he has asked for the past two years. Did he need it? No. Have I taken risks by giving it to him since it can go online at home? Yes. Is he spoiled specifically for having it? Not by a long shot.
It was a calculated decision, one of which I can’t honestly say I am 100% comfortable with. He knows that the wrong things can inadvertently appear on the screen but also knows to excersise a reasonable degree of caution and that I or his mom can check to see what he has been looking at. He mostly uses it to watch instructional video-game related clips on youtube, to play games and send me emails and pictures he took while at mom’s. An he knows how to have a question answered via google, which will come in handy for schoolwork and such. So far so good, but he’s only 9.
What I will be dealing with at 12 or 15 remains to be seen, but regardless we go forth because I am there to oversee and I care enough to do it in a discreet way. Far too many parents don’t and as a result their children have the ability at will to take in images that they are mentally unprepared to deal with. For many this can surely lead to confusion and eventual behavorial issues. Doesn’t mean I’ll be forever immune, just that I’ve reduced the odds and set boundries.
The answers aren’t well defined yet, but bottom line is that without sensible boundries we end up with more of this via our new technologies and crappy media:
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/bronx/teens_arrested_over_grade_school_Twnu6M0txSqTj8AdJHB1DM
It doesn’t matter anymore that someone like Belmont is a great parent, of which he surely is. What matters is that much of what is around us has become infested and despite how diligent any of us here are many in this country need to be put on a leash or they will cross yards and bite you.
Given that many of them could be under 18, this thread won’t be delivering any time soon.
Back in my day, everything was good and nothing was bad. I blame those damned liberals of course.
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