Yes, and those would be the ones who come here from Mexico LEGALLY. I know lots of them, I often frequent their businesses.
There are also certainly Cubans who come here with less than honorable intentions.
My purpose wasn’t to suggest all Cubans are good and all Mexicans are bad, I was simply contrasting two “common” examples to note the difference.
Most ILLEGALS all generally have the same problems in common. But that won’t prevent them from getting some kind of Presidential “courage” award.
Na man i mean there is some illegals who honestly just want a better life here, but they dont mooch for it. Theyre rare, but theyre out there.
I know many people who just want a better life. They include some…
drug dealers
pimps
thieves
loan sharks
corrupt politicians
etc.
And except for their crimes, “some” may be decent people only seeking a better life than they would have otherwise. But that doesn’t suddenly make them not criminals.
More importantly, for every illegal that comes to this country that prevents our country from accepting a legal immigrant who had taken the time, money and effort to do things correctly.
You might find some illegal immigrant who is one of the nicest people in the world, volunteers at soup kitchens and watches out for the neighborhood children the fact remains that individual cut in front of the line of those coming here legally and quite possibly prevented their ability to do so as our country can only accept X number of immigrants and illegals negatively impact that number.
Everyone wants a better life, that includes those who are born here and those who come here legally.
ICE under Obama has deported more people than all other POTUS combined.
You got numbers for that?
I know Bush Jr. was Mr. Amnesty and I don’t think there has ever been a serious push to address the issue (even Reagan thought he’d “fix things” with a blanket amnesty), but say more than all other President combined is a serious statement.
How far back are you going with that? Or was it just a general statement that I am taking too literally?
On M4C, with all the talk about special operators and end user experience on the M4 and this gun or that gun, here is a topic that is actually in “my lane”, I just don’t even know where to begin.
Just know that the “border” in one area is not the same as the “border” in another, even within the border states. I just find it funny when people say we need to shut down the border without realizing how ridiculous that statement sounds to someone with my position and knowledge. Crossings can be minimized but they cannot be stopped. Furthermore, the immigration issue cannot be discussed without also discussing the war on drugs issue, or how our legal system operates for that matter, among many other things.
EDIT: SteyrAUG, don’t forget to include murderers and child molesters on your list.
On a per capita basis yes. Overall Total No. My Bad.
Bush43 is leader at 2M for 8 years in office, Obama is 1.5M after 4.
yea i agree with you 100% bro. haha my aunt & uncle are here visiting from mexico (yes they have visas ) and we were discussing said event. when I asked them for their reaction they said: “well those idiots are stupid for simply giving themselves away like that!” of course they’re going to get arrested!! :lol:
They are not on the list because it is impossible to be one and be an otherwise decent person.
Some illegal are mixing their “privileges” with what are American Rights.
If you are not documented = illegal = deportation.
If you are documented = legal = stay and enjoy America.
Not put that Non-English sign and flag, because that system didn’t work for you then, it will not work for you now. Hence, you migrated = moved from where you came from. Stop trying to tell Americans we have to learn your language and system, because we don’t have time for your system and your flag and your language.
Its hard enough for most Americans to accept Yuengling is the oldest brewery, now we have to learn that system you think is so great that you left on your own fruition.
Right, what I meant was they are amongst those that claim they are looking for a better way.
Generally speaking each and every person who comes to the states wants a better life for themselves and their family. It’s how they go about getting that better life that makes the difference. Some choose crime, some choose hard work others choose living on the backs of others (including their fellow countrymen doing the hard work).
Closing the border is an idiotic concept. No matter how big a wall you build someone will tunnel it of jump it or whatever it takes. Just ask the east Germans how well securing the iron curtain worked vs how man resources they consumed.
IMO the biggest issue we have is that the illegals have access to benefits, jobs, education… Those are 90% controllable yet we refuse to do so. If we did the reward for crossing illegally would diminish while trying to come here legally would have more rewards. We do not have a big enough stick to truly control the border. Even if we did we don’t have the balls to use it. Maybe stop with the stick and go for the carrot. Come here legally and you’ll have all the rewards that your hard work can garner. Come here illegally and you’ll starve.
Make it financially beneficial for LEO agencies to go after and find illegals working and collecting benefits. Raise the fines and collect them from people and companies who hire illegals. None of this is rocket science, but it does take leadership willing to do the right thing instead of the politically expedient thing.
The concept is not idiotic. And a LOT more people would have left East Germany if they COULD have, so their wall served their purpose. You forget the carrot and the stick already exists, except the willpower to use the stick does not exist…
Compare the Berlin Wall and the resources it took to man, patrol and maintain it and scale that to the southern border of the USA you’ll soon realize that a wall is symbolic at best. Heck how are you going to build a wall around the other means of illegal passage: boats??
There are better sticks and carrots to use that are far more effective.
I do agree with you 100% though - it’s not tools we are lacking, but the will to use the ones in our hands.
The Obama administration in its first term deported more illegal aliens than did Bush in two terms. 
Will that trend continue to these folks? Of course not…they’ll be put up as heroes and an example of how “comprehensive immigration reform” would help passionate people with grievances.
Off topic…why is “comprehensive” the catch phrase of late when referring to bad laws?
it would only be ironic in light that you write your own nsa file… here… because they record all the traffic.
I like how a fellow shooter buddy of mine has to spend 3 years getting a visa (Russian) and 16 years getting his citizenship all the while being a practicing anesthesiologist. Meanwhile some guy can cross a border and start laying brick.
Or how a world class Korean flute player can’t even get a visa besides a student visa where she cannot work legally.
The system is garbage and needs fixing.
The war on drugs and illegal immigration go hand in hand now. There are certainly illegals from countries other than Mexico however.
The variations in fixing the system differ dramatically, though, from fixing only the legal portion of it to blanket amnesty and wide open borders.