Hey guys,
Not interested in debating the merits of red dots vs. Irons–red dots are clearly superior. However, if you were just a masochist, how would you run you AR without red dots?
I asked Ken Hackathorn this and he basically suggested A1 style sights with some sort of tritium front.
What setup would you guys run on a 16 inch lightweight?
Can’t beat a good set of Troy’s. They make them now with tritium inserts too.
Just my humble $0.02
Has anyone fooled with the CSAT sights? They seem pretty efficient. Could they be mounted in a A1 carry handle?
Our S&W M&P patrol rifles are setup with an A2 stand alone rear sight similiar to the RRA version and a Trijicon front sight.
However, the next 200 rifles going out the door will also have Aimpoint Comp M2’s mounted on them.
Well, depends on the intended usage. If it were to be a 0-250 yd carbine I would agree and likely go with the Daniel Defense or other A1 style setup for the simplicity. If it were say a 0-600 yd rifle then I would go with one of the range adjustable rears, preferably with a dual aperture setup. If strictly long range, probably a NM setup.
My choice would be what I already run for a BUIS. LaRue non-folding and either stock front or on guns with a full length rail a DD non folding front.
If I was going to go irons only, an A1 upper would be my first choice. Second would be a Larue fixed, as it is basically an A1 rear.
Troy folder would be my third. I shot a Troy folding buis through a Pat Rogers/EAG course earlier this month, on an 11.5". I was able to perform well with the irons.
A1 upper, can’t beat simplicity. Plus it is grunt friendly.
Colt 6520.
If looking for “ideal” I’d prefer an original M16-style upper with A1 sights and no forward assist or brass deflector, but with M4 ramps (cut in after if need be) and the CSAT rear and standard A2 front.
Careful pairing things like the Howe with a tritium front. The Howe is designed to work with a standard A2 front and I don’t know if the added width of a tritium post would work with it or not. There should be no issue installing a CSAT rear in an A1 sight.
I have a CSAT in a Daniel Defense rear BUIS, and I’ve owned a tritium front post in the past. I think the tritium front posts can confuse shooters that are really used to the standard sights as the tendency becomes one of focusing on the dot instead of the tip.
Dots are great on handguns, not so good in the “traditional” AR sight picture. I ended up with the XS Tritium Stripe front with the CSAT in the factory DD rear sight after reading a previous discussion on irons. Not sure the Tritium makes as much of a difference as the stripe.
I shot a few rounds through the CSAT aperture up at CSAT when I took a course there and they worked great. Your eye is close enough to the rear notch that it’s not really a pistol type sight picture, I found I just had to trust that just focusing on the front sight put it close enough. I’ve put off buying a couple for too long.
If your going to use a single BZO I’d use a DD rear. If you want some adjustability I’d use an LMT.
i just use the standard A2 set up that came with the rifle but thinking about using a magpul rear on my smith
C7 upper, standard rear and trijicon front…
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A DD or A1 style rear depending on whether or not I want a carry handle. I would want a same plane rear aperture but not the CSAT sight as I’m not a fan of notch and post sights when there’s already a ghost ring right there.
I’d want a narrow front sight for shots at distance and/or better precision up close. Perhaps one of those KNS tapered jobs.
If (and this is a big if) I was going to use this as close in gun, I’d think about a fully hooded front sight along the lines of an MP5. Place ring on bad guys chest, press and repeat.
M16A1 clone.
On a 16" LW I’d probably use the DD front and rear with red loc-tite.
A1 - simple
i am using the standard front site that came with the barrel, and a magpul rear site. i use to use a yhm folding front with the rear magpul but i like the standard front site.
Got CSAT sights installed on a Troy BUIS and LMT fixed sight. Really like the setup a lot.
LMT rear and Trijicon front.
