If you own a LMT 308
How do you like it, How accurate is it. What is weight difference between 16" - 18" - 20"
Do you know the warranty and have you used it.
How does it come what do you get with it.
Would you buy another.
Thanks in advance to the questions stated above.
Very accurate. It’s heavy.
Have not used the warranty.
My LM8MWS came with rail panels, rail covers, case, and inch-lbs torque wrench for swapping the barrel.
I would not buy another, I would have got a M&P10 for 1/3 the price.
There is no practical reason to go with anything longer than 16" for a semi-auto 7.62.
I’ve been debating buying either an LMT MWS or a KAC SR-25 (if i can ever find one). The LMT fit and finish isn’t quite as good as the KAC but it’s $2K cheaper and as accurate if not more accurate than the SR-25 and if you get the SS barrel version it’s definitely a better shooter than the KAC. The only thing that’s holding me back is the fact that it weighs damn near 10lbs bare gun, that’s a PIG.
So incredibly true!!!
The 16" .308 SR25 or MWS is one potent rifle in the right hands. 1000yd 2/3rd torso shooter. Super reliable w/ quality ammo and mags. The price to play is the only real downside in my eyes to those two rifles.
I agree didn’t think you needed anything longer
I think that’s just 308 AR platform the 308 I have now is 9.75# Naked
Yes, between extremely & very accurate.
I don’t find it heavy but people of average stature would. Weight difference is a few ozs. per inch it’s not as heavy as other platforms I have used in combat. Consider a large Military force uses this as their platform & has thousands of units in the field 24/7 in combat daily. Some of the blokes I chat & work w/ across the pond consider it lighter than the FAL’s they carried & w/o question more accurate.
Have not had to. Had no issues thus far.
Steel Mags, Torque wrench, Rail sections.
Yes. "Slick"or L8 is lighter (- 6-8 ozs.) & probably more comfortable if you have small hands. I do not have small hands, so it’s a non issue for me.
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One nice thing about the lmt is the ability to change barrels and calibers.
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To me, the LMT MWS serves no purpose. It does everything decent, nothing great. It is a heavy pig, HEAVY. If it was $1000 less, it be a different story.
If you want a .308 battle rifle that is very accurate, Get a SCAR17
If you need a LR semi rig, OBR, SR25, JP or GAP is where wise money would go. The OBR and SR-25 are only in .308 so keep that in mind. GAP and JP will be the best shooters on paper.
Even the LM8 is heavy…I don’t see where this rifle fits in considering the other options.
I would not count on GAP and JP to be more accurate than an OBR. Sometimes sure but not always or even as a rule, on average they are close enough that it will come down to the nut behind the but and the ammo.
This thread is just a prime example of how things get jacked up here. The OP’s title & question is “If you own an LMT 308”. Not this is better or LMT sucks or I would get a &^$#, or it’s a heavy piece of shit, or SCAR is better etc. There is no reason to comment on GAP, JP, FN SCAR, OBR, COLT et alia. I own them too & happen to like them as well & I don’t comment because it’s not relevant to the OP’s question.
The facts are the facts. The gun beat out some pretty good competition including the HK417 & SCAR & it was predicated on some rather important attributes like reliability & accuracy. Lots of units have been sold & are performing very well regardless of people’s opinion. Those are just some of the salient facts.
People here apparently can’t be mature & comprehend w/o opening their pieholes about it then when called on it they get an attitude. It’s why many have left. They got tired of the BS. The last 2 posts are prime examples of thread drifting & lack of respect as a generalization & show ignorance regarding LMT’s pedigree & vetting. I don’t shill for them. I own em because they are good solid rifles, I enjoy shooting them & challenging myself. If a product does’t perform to it’s specs I off it & drive on. That’s like some nutcase on here a while back arguing that a bolt gun is as fast as a semi on multiple targets. Turns out he was shilling for his own company that you guessed it, sells Bolt Guns.
To come on here & disregard the OP’s question & just bash because you don’t like it shows lack of maturity & muzzle discipline.
Read the thread’s title. If you don’t have one, drive on & stay in your lane.
Here’s more of what it really did do from Small Arms Defense Journal, circa January 11th, 2012:
http://sadefensejournal.com/wp/?p=907
“In essence, LMT’s semiautomatic rifle, the LM308MWS, has been selected by British MOD as the new Sharpshooter rifle. The version of this rifle was in competition with the FNH SCAR-17 (Mk17 Mod 0), the HK model 417, Sabre Defence’s XR-10 and offerings from Knights and Oberland Arms. When the competition was over, LMT’s rifle was designated as the L129A1. It has been several decades since MOD has changed rifles for the longer range duties, and the new L129A1 is geared towards the 800 meter ranges being encountered in today’s combat environment. The AI .338 bolt action replaced and upgraded the AI L96 7.62mm several years ago. “Sharpshooter” is a completely new role for the British Army. Quick reaction, rapid follow up shots, long range, harder hitting than 5.56mm is the idea for the L129A1, but the sniper rifle is still a bolt action.”
If my source in Germany is correct, the HK417 didn’t pass Germany’s initial accuracy tests either but I have not confirmed that yet.
“The L129A1 has been in combat in Afghanistan since April 2010, and has received excellent field reports from the troops.”
More specs:
http://www.l129a1.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=3&Itemid=4
The country’s jacked up enough already cut the Bravo Sierra out. Take a dump somewhere else.
VooDoo6Actual, well said. OP, I recently purchased a LMT LM308MWS (need a little more ammo & Atlas Bipod before some range time). I love the fact it is a little heavy and built like a tank. LMT is a solid company and will stand behind their firearms. The rifle is battle proven and yes a little pricey, but I would not trade it for any other .308 (100% USA Made). I think you find a majority of owners (like myself, primary prior military) who will feel same way.
You may want to visit these websites for some additional insight: http://www.defensereview.com/lmt-308-modular-weapon-system-lm308mwse-monolithic-rail-platform-mrp-semi-auto-7-62mm-nato-tactical-ar-riflecarbine/
and http://www.lewismachine.net/index.php
and http://www.gunsandammo.com/reviews/lmt-308-ar-review/
and http://forum.snipershide.com/
Good luck with your pending purchase.
I haven’t been able to afford enough ammo (or worthy optics for accuracy testing) to give a credible review, but so far I have zero complaints.
It came with 2 QD sling swivels (LMT previously did not do this, don’t ask me why), a simple sling, 3 rail covers, removeable iron sights, 1 20rd PMag, a 16" CL barrel, a torque wrench preset for 140 in/lbs, and a manual. And equipped with a LMT 2 stage trigger (not the best in my opinion) Ergo grip & SOPMOD stock.
I don’t get the weight complaints, it’s a .308. Too heavy? Then get a .223. Kind of a BS complaint, to me, unless you have to hump it in the mountains of A-stan. It is heavier than some alternatives, but it also beat FN & HK in the British trials for their L129 rifle. Maybe the extra weight went into some features that made it superior (at least to the Brits)?
I don’t know much about the warranty other than what the manual & the LMT website says. I’ve got 3 LMT’s, shot one a fair bit, and have not needed to use their warranty in any way, which is better than the alternative.
How do you like it? I’ve only had mine for a few months now. Have approx. 200 rds down it so far. Mostly load development and it shows great accuracy potential for an auto loader. Solid rifle. Zero malfunctions to date.
How accurate is it? Best load for me yet is 1.25 MOA with 165gr Hornady SSTs. If this is all I can squeeze out of it I’ll be satisfied. Still working on it.
What is weight difference between 16" - 18" - 20"? Not sure about this. Can’t be much. It is a heavy rifle but, it stands to reason that it would be. It’s a .308 and not a .223.
Do you know the warranty and have you used it? I do not know what the warranty is and have had no reason to investigate the use of it.
How does it come what do you get with it? Per the LMT website. http://www.lmtstore.com/complete-weapon-systems-firearms-guns/complete-gas-weapons/308-modular-weapon-system-black-barrel.html
“MWS .308 upper receiver with 16” stainless steel 1:11.25" twist .308 tactically flat matte blackened barrel, standard semi-auto bolt carrier group, tactical charging handle assembly, LM308MWS Defender lower with SOPMOD buttstock, two stage trigger group, ambi selector, and ambi mag release. Ships with a sling, operators manual, tactical adjustable rear sight, tactical front sight, (1) twenty round magazine, (2) heavy duty push button swivels (included as of 2011 orders), torque wrench/driver and (3) rail panels. You must have a current Federal Firearms License on file to purchase complete weapons or serialized parts. Options: 18" barrel instead of 16" Direct Gas Impingement Overall length with SOPMOD collapsed: 35" Overall length with SOPMOD extended: 38" A2 Birdcage compensator 5/8 X 24 thread pitch Low profile gas block Cryogenically treated barrel to increase accuracy, barrel life and easier cleaning 5 QD Sling Swivel attachment points Electronically tested and recorded trigger pull Weight empty 9.98 lbs This rifle can be ordered with a (16", 18" or 20") 5R Barrel Contact your dealer or LMT directly at 309-732-9527 for estimated delivery time. "
Would you buy another? Absolutely. I’d get the slick side though.
Thanks guy’s for your time and honest answers. And to those that have served or are serving thanks for your time also. It has come down to the LMT or the Colt 901 and that will have to be my decision and I think either would be a good choice. Again Thanks
Here’s another consideration since I have both. The Colt is slightly lighter (9.4 lbs) & not enough to sway me either way. If my mindset was to be static or LP/OP orientated or “on a POD” hunting as opposed to stalking / patrolling I might give that some thought but it’s not an absolute just because I’m saving a 1/2 lb. Colt LE901 also has their proprietary BCG & CH. The other consideration is caliber interchangeability. While LMT offers interchangeable barrels of different calibers the Colt offers different caliber interchangeability w/ adapter block. There is RUMINT of a .762x39 version for a DOS contract in addition to .556. So in essence w/ one lower, you could have .556, 762x39 & 762x51 or whatever else you independently brewed up i.e .300 BO of course w/ appropriate BCG’s, upper swaps etc. where applicable etc.
It may have merit to your needs or it may not. I just forgot to add that as a consideration.
In all honesty (as an example to illustrate contrast between heaviest & lightest of AR10 platforms) if the difference between 9.9 lbs (LMT L7) & 8.9 lbs (KAC E2 APC) which is basically 1 lb, 16 ozs or 454 gms makes you tired your probably out of shape anyways & have other serious issues. I mean really. I carry turds for days heavier than that difference. At some point you have to accept, your probably either anal or overly pedantic & should seek intervention counseling. If that doesn’t work for ya, get a SCAR @ 7.9 lbs. ! lol
If your a purest & want to shave weight, you can have Marvin Pitts dimple the barrel, get an LMT LM8 slick & there’s some ounces shaved off.
BTW, highly recommend the KAC Offset BUIS. That product is w/o peer.
HTH & good luck on your quest !
Jon,
I like the LMT MWS very much. As previously stead by many others, the fit and finish are outstanding. It is completely ambidextrous in the standard configuration and runs well with KAC mags, Pmags (gen2 or gen3), Larue mags and even the D&H mags. I have a 16" CL, 18"SS, and 20" 6.5 Creedmoor. I will weigh them next week for you. The weight difference is negligible but the 16" does “handle” the best. Accuracy seems to be the same for me with both barrels but they like different ammo. The 16" likes the 168 FGMM while the 18" likes the 168 A-Max (factory), the Speer Gold-Dot 168 (duty) and the 175 FGMM. The 16" does have a different recoil impulse which makes it more challenging to shoot groups with. Having spent a good amount of time behind several other 308-AR rifles I would most certainly buy an LMT again. That being said, it seems to have a stronger recoil impulse to me than many others.
16", chrome lined, not fully tuned up hand loads. .4 MOA, 5 shot group at 100. 155g Nosler Custom Competition and I THINK Varget, but maybe not I cant remember off the top of my head. Best group ive ever gotten out of the gun. Its easy to shoot it ~1MOA, below that, for me, its more luck in me not ****ing up the shot(which happens OFTEN). My gun seems to really like all the 155g stuff(Lapua Scenar, these Noslers, 155g SMK’s) better than anything else.
This is a much more common group. I think this one measured right at 1 or 1.1 something like that.
I love my MWS, she just turned 3 last week.
The weight is not all that big of a dreal, I normally hike and shoot with it between 5000 and 12,000 feet ASL. She is more accurate than I am and I have data on her out to 1000 yards with M118LR. Waranty, this is one of many LMT’s that I have, if you have an issue they are a good company and will take care of issues, but my MWS has been rock solid and problem free.
She also functions flawlessly with a SDN can, fired 750 rounds with out cleaning, adding lube or cleaning anf had zero malfunctions.
The only upgrades that I have done/had done are Cera Coating, MIAD grip and 51T flash hider. I run it with a 2.5-10 Nightforce with the 16" barrel.
I’d buy another one if something happened to this one. Just saying.