If you could design the ideal full size AR-15....

I really like the full size AR15 rifles with their 20" barrels and fixed stock…I know, I know, it is not cool these days but please indulge me. In the interest of full disclosure, my go to long gun at home is a Colt 6920; so yes, I am aware that what I like may not be the most practical…

With that said, I would like to know what you think would be the ideal full size AR15…only conditions that it must have a 20" barrel (any contour) with full length DI gas system and be chambered for 5.56x45mm…anything else is up to you…what would you do?

20" SS 1/7 or 1/8 barreled upper, DD Lite Rail 14.0, bipod, Nightforce 2.5x10 in a good mount with an A1 stock.

Regular old M16A1 was pretty ideal. Basically one of those or one with a flat top for RDS would be awesome.

1/8 SS barrel, ionbonded, 13" trx extreme, find out who I have to kill to get the leupold 1-8x scope, throw on a light, buis, and bipod, then continue using my 16" gun.

Precision in mind:

SAM-R with a good adjustable scope, SS barrel, etc.

Fighting in mind:

BCM/Colt A4 upper, ACOG/Aimpoint, etc.

I’ll take a crack at this. Not all the parts are easy to come by, but since the topic said ideal, I’ll include them.

Lower:
Standard A2 lower and parts
A1 grip
Colt CS stock(A1 length with A2 materials) or the new Vltor A5 stock(I’d like to handle one first)

Upper
Flat-top receiver
20" chrome lined, A1 profile barrel with a 1in7" twist
quality BCG and charging handle
A2 handguards
A2 flash suppressor
Standard FSB
DD A1.5 rear sight with a CSAT aperture

Other stuff
Aimpoint C3 in a Larue mount
Surefire G2l either bolted to the handguards or on an FSB mount

20" chrome lined, A1 profile barrel with a 1in7" twist

This, A1 handguards, and an A4 upper.

I’d take a BCM M16A4 clone with a Trijicon PVQ-31A ACOG.

Of course the KAC M5 rail system, with maybe a Harris bipod?

This, but with a 12" Lite rail:

My thoughts exactly. :lol:

Oh yeah Im all over that…the C7A2 type configuration is my all time favorite…but I guess Ive said that enough in previous threads already.

Give us a run down on your BCM 20" there 87GN.What buffer,action spring etc…?

Im getting prepped to add a BCM SAM-R with a A5 EMOD this fall.Hopefully…

Unfortunately your conditions kind of stiffled my thoughts. My ideal full size would have an 18" barrel, DD rail system, Battle Comp flash hider and possibly the new Vltor M5 stock. I would top it off with a Nightforce scope and a good quality bipod.

Big fan of the M16A4 with the M5 RAS, M68 or TA11G ACOG (ETA: Actually, a TA33H-G would probably work a little better given the weight penalty of the TA11, but the extended range tree of the TA11 would come in handy in a mountain setting…), PEQ-15, SF M951, etc. The only thing I would change is to replace the A2 stock with a Colt CS stock as was mentioned. If I were going to A-Stan tomorrow as an 11 Bang-Bang who would be doing primarily mountain interdiction type ops, this would be my rifle of choice.

Interesting choices…I’ve never heard of the CS stock…maybe I should hang out around here more often. I have heard many people say they wanted an A1 stock made from the A2 material but never thought Colt actually made it.

Unfortunately your conditions kind of stiffled my thoughts. My ideal full size would have an 18" barrel, DD rail system, Battle Comp flash hider and possibly the new Vltor M5 stock. I would top it off with a Nightforce scope and a good quality bipod.

My only conditions were 20" bbl in 5.56 and full length gas system…I thought this wasn’t too bad…in any case, without trying to derail my own thread, please explain if you will why the 18" is better than the 20"…I’m not familiar with the 18" bbls…are they anything special? Thanks

20" barrels are overrated. Yes, you get more muzzle velocity, but does nothing really for accuracy. I would venture to say that a 16" barrel will shoot just as accurate as a 20".

18" is kind of a compromise length. And it’s not as musket looking as a 20".

Ok, I see…that’s what I thought it was…good to know.

as to accuracy, I figured you want a heavier barrel for that, not just longer. I did not specify what countour barrel as a condition so anything from skinny to ultra heavy is a go.

I actually like the musket looking barrel…that was my whole point in this. :cool:

If I were to go with a 20" barrel I’d go for M16A4 clone.

With a 1/7 twist.

I like a good ole M16A4 style. Flat top with a KAC rail. Add on a Aimpoint and you’re good to go.

A 1:7 twist isn’t as necessary to stabilizing longer bullets in a 20" barrel as it is with a 14.5". 20" barrels attain greater velocity and the bullet will exit the muzzle at a higher RPM. It’s the RPM that stabilizes the bullet, not twist rate.

There are clear advantages to the 20" barrel. One, the AR system is very reliable. Bolt velocities, operating pressures and spring rates all work in concert. The system will work with shorter barrels but it runs closer the ragged edge with a narrow margin between function and failure and require more maintenance. They are less forgiving when dirty or of ammunition changes.

As velocity is lost due to shorter barrel lengths, ammunition selection becomes more critical for terminal performance, particularly at longer ranges.

AR Carbines excel at close combat. They should, that’s what they’re designed for. But they are specialized and do not perform as well at longer ranges.

In choosing a good all around AR, the 20" is more versatile. Better reliability and durability, less intensive maintenance and a more forgiving configuration, it has it’s appeal. Though the carbine is a better choice if I need to confront a goblin in my hallway, a 20"rifle will work.

I don’t suggest that anyone should replace their AR carbines with AR rifles. But I think the 20" has lost popularity more due to fashion than utility.

The configuration I’m thinking of building is a 20" barrel with a PRI Gen III handguard. For insulation against heat, carbon fiber is better than aluminum. It’d be easiest just to use a LaRue Stealth upper. I’d like to try the VLTOR A5 stock and if that doesn’t become available, the MagPul UBR. For general purpose use, an ACOG should work. For longer ranges, a good variable.

For a carbine, I think I’ll start with a 14.5 pinned upper. I figure if I’m gonna go short, I’m gonna go short.

I’ll tell ya though- it’s sure a lot of fuss for the difference in a piece of pipe the distance between my forefinger and thumb outstretched!