Make, Model and Caliber…
Is there any adaptation for males/females. small hands with gripping a large weapon?
Any consideration to caliber and the ability to control recoil by smaller/less strong personnel?
Does your agency have practice range days or open range?
Agency provided or you must provide your own practice ammo?
Just some questions for answers over a broader geographical area.
Thank You
RWH24
Medium to large agency. Issued gun is the M&P 9mm. However, Springfield, Kimber, Colt, Glock, HK, FN, and SW are allowed as long as they are double stack. 1911’s must be approved personally by the agency armorer. Allowable calibers are 9, 40, and 45, and ammo is issued in those calibers to fill up three magazines.
We have mandatory day and night range sessions, and a very few open days. Mandatory range sessions are provided ammo. We also train with sims, active shooter, LTL munitions, etc.
I’m not the guy in charge but we’re the 5th largest agency in the US if I’m correct.
Right now we’re limited to 40S&W unless you were grandfathered in before the standardization. There are current talks about allowing the 45ACP again only with certain handgun models. It’s not open season.
Right now the choices are Glock 22, 23; M&P40 full size; Sig 229, 226. We have to buy our own weapon. Nothing is provided. I’ve been noticing officers with smaller hands going to the M&P. As far as women, it’s split between the G23 and the M&P. Male officers are spread all over.
Cadets are allowed to demo the guns prior to making their choice in the academy. Afterwards officers can switch at will. All they have to do is re-qualify with their new choice.
We don’t have open range sessions. Officers who want to “practice” have to show up at the qualification range at the appropriate times. You just pay a very small fee for ammo and shoot the course at the same time other officers are actually qualifying. That’s our “practice”. They leave it up to us to get real range time.
We are responsible for our own duty ammo.
Large agency, we issue SIG 226 9mm. I think new recruits are getting the DAK.
If you were on in the late 80s when we were transitioning to auto you could buy your own SIG, Glock or Beretta in 9mm.
The Dept decided on SIG at that time and began issuing 226 in 9mm.
A few years ago 357 SIG was approved if you wanted to buy your own.
Recently officers have been approved to buy Glock in 9mm or 357.
A few guys who switched to the 357 have went back to 9mm.
Range is pretty much open during the day, you generally have to provide your own ammo except for dept training or Qs.
There is a program for poor performing shooters with dept provided ammo and instruction.
Qs are twice a year.
We are a medium size dept. I guess. We were issued Glock 17 or 19’s when I started in '99. Six years later they switched to Glock 22 or 23’s as issue, however you could purchase a Glock in 9mm or 45 afterwards. This fall the academy is switching back to 9mm issue, however the above applies here as well.
I believe the change was based on the 9mm being easier to shoot for most people, and on the performance of current 9mm ammo.
We have qualifications 2 times a year. We also have numerous open shoot dates each month. We have our own range, and we also can use an outdoor county range on Mondays. There are a couple 100 yard ranges at the county range.
AS a retiree, I must maintain an annual qualification. It should be coming up next month as it is usually in October. Out of doors in the Texas Sun and Heat, Oct is better. Since time change has been moved not sure how they do it now. We tried to use the week after time fell forward and had night shoot later in the week. Start later in the day and continue to Midnight or so.
What kind of rifle “Q’s” did you have? We had 20 rounds at 100 yds score of 90%.
Texas Commission on Law Enforcement Officers Standards and Education
http://www.tcleose.state.tx.us/documents/rules_and_statutes/firearms_proficiency_changes.pdf
We did a basic qualification required shooting. Some Deputies were not “Gun Folks” and they had problems with their rig every time. We provided Safariland 200 holster, dbl mag pouch, Sig 226, 357 Sig DAK, 3 magazines and 1, 50 round box of Speer GDHP ammo for duty.
They forget to unsnap when drawing, forget to decock when we issued 226 DA/SA 9mm’s, forget to snap up after re-holster.
Some folks are just about un-teachable in the use of peep sights.:help:
I work for a relatively large agency. Patrol is issued .40 S&W M&P. Plain clothes may be issued a compact .40 or 9mm, or may use a personally owned pistol in an approved caliber (9mm, .40, .38, .45) and model (primarily Smith, Glock, HK, Sig).
We qualify three times yearly, shotguns, ARs, BUG/off dutys are worked in to these quals. Firing range is open three to four days a week, you can come in on or off duty. Officers are allotted 1 box of whatever you are issued per week, off calibers you provide the practice ammo. Tactical units get more, and officers with rifles get 50 rounds per week 5.56 as well when it is available.
Tulsa Co. Sheriff’s Office: Glock 21C with night sights. Deputies that can’t qualify with the G-21C are allowed to qualify with and carry the G-22C as an alternate.
Im on a medium sized dept. Glock 22s (.40) for patrol. 21’s (.45) for SWAT. And some plain clothes guys have 23’s(.40)
We do have some open range days. 2-4 days a month for about 3 hours and the department provides unlimited ammo. I take full advantage of this and will run through couple hundred rounds a visit.
Approx 1700 Officers. Issued S&W M&P .40. Must be carried while in uniform. Detectives, plain clothes, and specialized units can carry from a large list. .40 is provided by the Department for once a month training which is becoming mandatory. Qualify once a year.
Smaller state wide agency. GLOCK Gen4 17 with 147gr Winchester Ranger SXT.
I have nothing against the C models but I wonder why they went with it. I read Glock was going to discontinue them soon.
Fluctuates between G17’s, G22’s or G21’s.
Depending on the stock level at the armory and the class coming out of the academy.
I am glad to see the agencies offering range time and ammo to practice with. WE always hope that day never comes
but must be prepared to do it right when the tome comes.
The fact that your agency is open minded enough to adapt gun to officer/job, than officer to gun. Just never understood.
Can’t fit a size 12 foot into a size 10 shoe/boot or a size 6 narrow foot into a 13 EEE Danner.
Officers/Deputies/Troopers of smaller agencies please feel free to respond also.
Did not mean to leave anyone out of the loop.
I have no idea. Possibly because Glock was touting the reduced recoil of the C models to LE agencies at the time as an aid to improved qual scores (not taking into account that most flinch is because of the noise, not recoil). Also, the Tulsa Police Dept went with the 22C a year before TCSO went with the 21. We had the S&W 4506 prior to the 21C.
I purchased my own 21SF and had the frame further reduced & stippled. Once qualified with it, I’ve been allowed to carry it instead of the issued 21C. FWIW, TPD is now issuing new Gen 4 22’s without ports. It should be a significant improvement.
Our dept should hopefully be green lighting the 45ACP soon so that opens up the option of the G21, M&P45, HK45, HK USP45, and the Sig 227. I’m interested to see how those take off.
Larger agency. G22 is issued at the academy. Issue P229s available for those who don’t care for Glocks. Also a handful of G23s, 27s, P239s, and USP/Cs out there. Personal handguns fro Glock, SIG, S&W, and H&K in 9, 40, and 45 if in the approved list. Qualification is quarterly with ammo provided.
Small agency here. Issued sidearm P30 V1 9mm. All ammunition is provided, qualifications once a year. Reserve officers are all retired from the agency or former full-time with agency and they still carry the SIG P229R DAK .40. That was our previous sidearm.
Medium sized agency. We operate off of an approval list (all the usual major manufacturers) and supply duty ammo.