+1
Works great with the ASAP plate.
Video from Viking Tactics on the VTAC
The biggest differnce is that the VCAS has a captured adjustment that has no lagging tail but also therefore limits adjustment. the VTAC has more adjustment but also has a dangling tail hanging off the sling.
As stated above, I prefer the VCAS slings.
I own both. The older VCAS sling, non padded ones first, then padded, then a couple of VTAC slings. I like the single adjustable slider tab on the VCAS slings over the two adjustable points on the VTAC. I also like the wider sling and better quality of the VCAS, over the thinner webbing used by VTAC. The “dangling” loose sling piece, has been addressed on the VTAC, by a “break away” Velcro sling keeper, but it can still be a snag hazard to your kit mounted on your belt. It’s simply a matter of preference though. I prefer quality, simplicity and efficiency in things gear related. The VCAS sling is more efficient, has a simple adjustable tab, and better quality, IMHO.
Has anyone ever used the Blackhawk Storm XT single point sling? Our local SWAT team uses them and the guys seem to be pretty happy with them… Anyone have any feedback?
Thanks once again, great stuff.
I’m going to buck the trend here and say UERT: www.urbanertslings.com. Very high quality product, made by an obsessive compulsive quality nut. I met him because of his slings, and now I’m proud to call him a friend - and I still think his slings and gear are top-notch. All USA made components, assembled right here in Indiana by hand.
Check him out.
(I get NO remuneration financial or otherwise. I’m just very impressed with the product.)
Once again, thank you all very much for the info. I love this group!
I found another thread with a link to www.ikickhippies.com and their really cool endplate… I think I’m going to have to order one if for no other reason than their name makes me laugh.
I am going to take a different stance on this subject.
I mainly use slings in two point configurations.
I find the Vickers sling too bulky and stiff for my applications. It is great for crew served weapons and situations where you need an uber strong sling for alternate uses.
I love the Emdom-MM sling. Very lightweight and you don’t even notice it. The adjuster is rocket fast and holds well. I wish I hadn’t left it CONUS.
I just switched out a black Magpul sling for a tan one here at work. The darn tubing keeps binding up in the gold metal slider when I try to adjust the length. I didn’t have that problem with the black version. It is obvious that the tubing/strap has too much free space and turns onto itself, causing the binding.
To me, combing the Emdom sling with the Magpul design is perfection in my environment.
That stiffness is one of the things I love most about the VCAS. That and the simplicity of it. I find that a lot of these two-point sling designs are trying too hard. IMHO if you need 4 sizes of webbing, some padding, 8 types of buckles, and a partridge in a pear tree to make the sling, you’re doing it wrong.
To the OP, as you’re probably noticing, sling choice is a lot like holster choice. Some of it has to do with body-type, some of it has to do with end-use, and a lot of it has to do with nothing having to do with logic or reason whatsoever. Iraq Ninja isn’t wrong, Quietshooter isn’t wrong, and neither am I. We all have and like what we think works best for us in our given situations and with our given rifles.
I think, as posted above, the best route would be for you to pick up one of the 1.25" Boonie Packer 2-points and see how you like the concept, then figure out if you think the VCAS, VTAC, or hundreds of copies do something for you that the BP doesn’t.
On a side note, getting out and shooting in matches and classes is a great way to build your skills, test your gear, and to get to finger-fuck and try out a lot of gear that other people are using.
I have the Emdom Gunslinger on my two carbines. I use them two point, but have lock jaw snaps on them so in theory I could use them as single point, but haven’t used them that way yet.
The front is mounted to the QD on the rail just in front of the receiver. The rear on a DD QD at the rear of the receiver. The rifle hangs nicely when I drop it for hands free or my pistol.
I like the light weight and ease of adjustment. They seem very well made, though I’ve only had them for a little while. I moved the BFG slings that were on the carbines over to my FAL’s. They are nice as well, but I prefer the feel of the Gunslinger and how the rifle handles for me.
Rob is right.
It is all about what function your sling will serve. For most of our readers, it is about shooting and fighting.
For me, it is way down on the list of priorities. More than often, I need to secure the weapon to me in a way that is available, yet out of the way. Changing tires, trauma management, etc are more common than having to shoot something.
Back in the Rangers, we were not allowed to use slings. They saw slings as a crutch used to hang the rifle from ones body.
When I shoot with a sling, I don’t want to know it is there until I need it.
THere are so many slings, but the best setup for any carbine is a single point. It makes it extremely versatile from weapon side to reaction side, it’s not tangling infront by your reaction hand, and there’s less fabric to deal with. Best thing to do is just research single point slings, such as the Magpul MS2, with the Magpul Asap.
Thanks, I like the look of both and I’m hoping to find someone who has one so I can play with it. I like the idea of a single point sling…
counterpoint…
Anyone that follows training and has for years knows that this whole “lateral transition” or “weak side shooting” or “support side” or “reaction side” comes and goes in and out of fashion. Those that don’t know their history think they came up with a great new idea and call it something new. These days it appears to be in style, but I’m sure the pendulum will swing back the other way soon enough. My take is that the VAST majority of shooters I see attempting this nonsense would be far better off concentrating on getting their hits strong side before worrying about working from the other shoulder. No amount of DVD-watching will teach you how to actually shoot from that side, but I see a lot of guys that have practiced the hell out of it in front of the mirror at home and sure do look good anyway.
The problem with stressing this “reaction side” business is that shooters lose focus; they aren’t good enough strong side to merit worrying about the other side, and then they start choosing gear (like slings 
) based on this perceived need to do something they frankly shouldn’t be worried about to begin with and wind up having a product that they can’t take advantage of the positives but that slaps them in the nuts (literally, in the case of one-point slings) with the negatives. and this notion that a two-point sling is somehow such a liability in lateral transitions to begin with is rather comical and way overblown.
+1 QFT
A sling can serve many different functions, and unfortunately each design is limited to certain applications, some more specific and/or restrictive than others.
If you simply need something to keep the gun attached to your body and the muzzle out of the mud while you paste targets or jam mags, pretty much anything will work, so whatever is the cheapest solution available will probably make the user the happiest. Anything from traditional 2-point web/drill slings to the most complicated 3-point will achieve that aim.
If you need to use a sling to move through an enclosure shooting stuff with a realistic need for shoulder transistions and a need to transition to a secondary weapon, a single-point or an evolved 2-point will be the best choice.
If you need to carry a gun around and have a high probability of needing two hands to perform certain duties or actions without a gun bouncing off of your nethers, an evolved 2-point or some 3-points will work the best.
If you want to use a sling as a marksmanship aid, employing the sling as either a “hasty sling” or “loop sling”, you will be most benefitted by a web sling or a puropse-specific cuffed (or cuffable) sling.
If you want something to do all the jobs well, a modern 2-point will work the best, depending on how you mount it to the gun.
I have used them all, so when I say that a tactical 2-point works the best it is from years of experience with all of these sling options, and of course I mean that they are the best in my opinion for my needs.
Yep. When they started holding “practical” rifle matches in my area the MD was specifying left handed shooting positions. I asked him if he meant left shoulder and he said whatever. No one was doing shoulder transitions until they saw me do it. Watching them try it for the first time was almost comical. There were shooters literally standing there in firing position for double digit seconds trying to find their dots and irons so they could even fire! Now lots of them are doing it and pretty well for the most part.
Oh, and I’m doing those transitions with a VCAS 2 point, which I think is an extremely versatile sling.
Let’s take support/weak side shooting to another thread if anyone wants to continue the discussion.
Merry Christmas.
Rob, will that stitched-in buckle fit through the sling slot on that Magpul? I have a few MOEs that I’d like to try with these but the Boonie Packer website leads me to believe they won’t fit without modification.
To me it’s potentially an elegant way of attaching a sling to a stock with minimal hardware to fail.
Well, I kicked a hippie 
I ordered the plate late last week Wednesday and I got an email by noon on Thursday (New Year’s Eve) telling me that it had shipped. I installed it on the gun tonight and I think it will do just what I need it to do. I’ll post a follow up as soon as the sling arrives and a I get a chance to take it out to the range.
No, it will not. that is, however, the larger sized sling. Get the 1.25" and you’ll have no trouble attaching it.