http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tta1qhQZWSE#!
This is Anywhere, USA. We keep hearing that it won’t come to this, but what stopped them when they did it in NOLA?
I hadn’t seen this in awhile, and just caught it again. In light of the current countrywide debate, it holds even more poignancy.
I pray it does not come to this. I really do.
I don’t know why people always think it can happen here…its happened over and over and over throughout the world, and millions upon millions of people have been slaughtered. Know your history, or be condemned to repeat it.
We have some the best of the best LE and MIL on this site, I just hope they are never called on to do it. If they are called on, I hope they not only refuse, but lead their men/women to follow their example.
I just had a two page interaction with a crew here, that almost certainly would have obeyed that order…
I am not and have never been a MIL/LEO, so maybe I don’t know shit. But I see two groups of men in all of these organizations. There are the great leaders and good men that SHIVAN speaks of, and then there are a ton of people just doing a job, and don’t give a crap about anything.
I don’t think we’ll know for certain what anyone will do until it actually hits them. I am really just holding out hope that places like NY and CT rethink their current path, before some very good people I know are put to the test, on both sides.
That video is quite disturbing. It’s the first time I’ve seen it. My only reaction is…MOLON LABE
I know for sure that I and most officers I know wont obey that order. Hell I get shit at work sometimes because I dont “push things far enough” when it comes to searches, stops, etc…
I also know that none of my military brothers would obey that order. Now that they are E6s and up and have trained their Soldiers correctly, Im pretty sure all their guys wont either.
If the powers that be in this country issue an order to confiscate guns, those orders will be followed.
Those of you that say you will not follow them will no longer be employed. Those of you in the Military will be thrown in jail.
In fact I would expect that some of you will be selected to carry out the order in hopes you will disobey so that you can be made an example of.
The entire Military, National Guard, and all branches of LE are not suddenly going to disobey the President. If… that day came… it would mean the President would be arrested for treason and possibly his cabinet and advisers as well. It will be one or the other… Government or guns… or an all out civil war but I don’t see unarmed liberals really wanting to fight a war against their neighbors.
If for one second you believe that it cant happen here and there wont be enough people who follow orders you are going to be in for a rude awakening one day. Study history and human nature and you will quickly learn. Will there be many dissenters, damned right. In the end however, I do not believe there will be enough if that ball begins to roll. Not many of you guys have had the privilege of living under an oppressive government, but if you are like me, you will know there are always many people willing to turn on their neighbors if it benefits them or even if it merely means they are allowed to keep feeding temselves and their families.
The USA is at a tipping point (IMO we are past it) where the majority of the population is absolutely dependent on the government for support. Welfare, government (local, state and federal) jobs, unemployment… tally up to a huge portion of the general population. Its very difficult to feed yourself and your family with principles and when the government controls your ability t take care of your family you are between a rock and a hard place and they own you. Just look at how the fed coerce sates into accepting goofy federal programs by threatening to withhold funds. The can and will eventually do the same on an individual level.
I guess Piers Morgan didn’t see these videos when he was scoffing about the potential tyranny of the US government.
There are plenty of good people in all professions but this example is why every single person in this country should realize that the second the order is given, lawful or unlawful, MIL and LE will seize your guns. And they will be more than willing to use lethal force to do so. Not because they are bad people but because, as the Marine said, they follow orders. Or because they will be fired from their LE jobs if they don’t. Or brought up on charges if they don’t. They have to feed their families too. Right or wrong will have nothing to do with it. Lawful or unlawful will have nothing to do with it.
Not too many dissenters visible in the ranks in those videos. The domestic invaders did exactly as they were told without hesitation. Whether or not they were uncomfortable about it. And they looked pretty comfortable as they body slammed the elderly lady.
eta: And just so we’re clear here, this is not a comment against the military or LE. If my ability to feed my family/keep my job/stay out of jail to provide for my family was at stake I’m not sure that I could be any better of a man and refuse this illegal order. I feel for the men and women of the MIL and LE that may have to face this decision very soon.
LE/MIL are not to be trusted at any time with your gun rights.
I am also glad they are feeling the shortage of ammo/guns. Let them feel the fucking pain.
LE might be, Mil gets ammo before civilians.
It’s not the LE or Mil that sets policy and makes law, it’s civilians.
I would change that to “The people giving the orders to MIL/LE are not to be trusted.”
Just when I think you may have run dry of scurrilous accusations to hurl at other members of this forum, you manage to out do yourself.
I seriously question what motivates your participation on this forum, as it seems your primary goal seems to be fomenting dissent and building distrust amongst members.
The whole Piers Morgan point about armed civilians not being able to stop a corrupt govt compounded by people saying that America is different and we’d never be like Nazi Germany or other places where there has been violence by govt against civilians got me thinking:
What parts of the world have actually not seen either armed conflict or civil war in the past 100 years?
First off you can check off Africa.
It seems that every Latin American country has either been in a war, had a narco civil war or some other internal conflict. (Maybe not Brazil?).
Europe pretty much all over except Britian (just bombed to pieces and threatened with invasion) and the Swiss.
Russia and China try to out do each other murder of civilians.
The middle east, forget-about-it, thru central Asia. South East Asia made popular the name killing field. Japan, hell they got nuked. Did Australian northern cities get bombed in WWII?
So the only countries that haven’t been directly impacted by civil war, nation-state war or armed insurrection over the past 100 years is:
Canada
US
Switzerland
What percentage of the world population lives in a country not affected by mass violence in the past 100 years- (c. 450million people or 3%.
I pray it never happens here, but as a nation of immigrants, we are made of people from all over the world- the people responsible for and the victims of mass violence; but it could never happen here?
How are we superior to all the other people in the world? That is the only American expectionalism that the left is capable of supporting.
I’m not saying that this opportunistic gun and power grab by the Progressives is what starts mass violence here. What I am saying is that the arguement that we don’t have to worry about state sanctioned mass violence is positively false, unless you believe in Manifest Destiny and Divine Providence.
Or course you could also point to what two of the three most peaceful countries have in common- a fairly armed populace. But that can’t have anything to do with it.
I would’ve hidden my guns underground, and re-armed when they weren’t in the area. Not letting my guns get taken, and I’m sure as hell not going to engage in that situation.
Some people just want to see the world trolled.
Fight next to, maybe… fight with generally, yes.