How to Fix NICS

Here is a link to the article. It has some info in it that I was not aware of. http://click.email.cheaperthandirt.com/?qs=02f71e0609c46682bf3758ba90784fe8f662628c55dead97dced6d5a570e6a20

This is the gist of the problem…“For the national background check system to work, all applicable records based on current law have to be entered into it at the state level. After all, any system is only as good as the accuracy and completeness of its database. This is where we all can agree that the system needs improvement.”

In other words, to fix NICS we need the federal government to have more records of American citizens.

Pass.

The way to fix NICS is to eliminate NICS.

Spot on.

I all for dumping NICS when we have a system in which we prevent the purchase of firearms from dealers by convicted felons and people with dangerous mental health issues.

Suggestions?

So keep a broken system because there isn’t a better alternative?

Good luck.

Here is a better fix.

US Code, Title 18, Chapter 44, Section 922 (s) is hereby repealed.

“Fail”

Tattoo felon on their forehead once they are convicted.

ETA: And then promptly set up a business where the business specialty is tattooing “not a” in the exact same lettering.

If you’ve paid your debt to society then all civil rights should be restored.

If you can’t be trusted with a firearm then you should not be free to mingle with society. You should be institutionalized or put down.

For adding more records to the nics system to be basically adding more records on American citizens is a bit of an oversimplification.

The problem is those in power who wish to disarm us, and do it by hook or by crook. They would find a way to get all of us declared unfit for firearm ownership.

So, to fix nics, all qualified criminal actions should be in the database, as well as qualifying mental conditions.
It does not need to be littered with non qualifying conditions, such as so and so used to take an antidepressant for several years after the sudden death of their spouse. Or, they saw a therapist for the same reason.
It should be real qualifiers only, such as being officially declared incompetent, or unstable.

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I was all “grumble, grumble government record keeping…” until I remembered that we live in the information age.

Every time you get your license ran by a cop, every time you walk into a SCIF, every time you apply for a job or a loan, somebody is pulling your info.

For purposes of credit, I don’t think I would like a system where I had no idea what my score was, or what unresolved issues were on there.

Same thing if I end up on the no fly list- I want to know who put me on there, at what date, and why.

…and suppose I apply for a new job. They’re going to call some company and ask them if I’m a criminal or not?

Besides all that, records are created every day online from a million sources, and they are all searchable by the Google.

I say give every American Citizen an Records Summary Sheet and put it in an online database. The database could be searchable at different levels by users with different permissions, but at a minimum you should be able to see if a guy is a felon, on the Sex Offender’s Registry, and what state he claims for residency.

Maybe also if he owns any land and what income bracket he falls into… oh, and definitely if he has a handicap or disability… :wink:

This.

Keep dangerous felons and nuts in a cage until they cease being so or they expire, problem solved.

This. We have felonies which are non violent, and we have repeat violent offenders out free.

Stricter penalties for violent offenders, others at least should not lose rights not related to the crime. Someone might be a piece of crap, but they may not be physically violent.

Edit: we had a guy locally that chopped his wife up in pieces and scattered her body in multiple McDonald’s garbage cans. He got out in 8 years.

We have people in jail for life for growing plants. Our system is completely screwed up.

Agreed. We incarcerate people at a prodigious rate already, a lot more per capita than many (most?) countries, and for many of the wrong reasons. I’m not sure more incarceration is the answer, especially since it doesn’t seem to have the desired effect of “rehabilitating” people. We need to re-target our efforts by sentencing violent crimes more harshly with fewer (or zero) chances for parole. Capital crimes should require a requisite burden of proof, but the appeals system should be shortened or eliminated so that it isn’t years/decades later and many times over the cost of life in prison to carry out the sentence. I also think prison behavior should be more tightly controlled to reduce bad behavior and prevent the formation of prison gangs. Easy to say, probably very hard to do.

But I’m also crazy enough to think that public shaming (stocks, caning, etc.) is an appropriate punishment for some crimes, such as the horrible dog beating posted in another thread.

Back on topic,
Gun store guys: How often does NICS pop up a flag that forces you to deny purchase? How can the system be better without infringing on a citizen’s rights?

I don’t agree with this statement. I served with two men who served with distinction. Based on what both have experienced and how they dealt with it, neither one should possess a firearm. One of them agrees with my assessment, the other friend does not. Both men would run to the sound of the guns armed with a sharp stick to protect the innocent.

How do we address this issue?

Then you clearly don’t understand freedom. Freedom is dangerous. The founders were well aware of this.

Again, if they can’t be trusted with firearms then they should not be free to walk amongst the rest of civilized society.

What issue? The fact that many humans are violent psychopaths? That’s not a firearm or access to firearms problem.

That’s a lot of liberals we’d have to put in jail.