Thanks for the kudos, just doing my job off the job.
As far as firing at vehicle. I consider many factors. First being threat level, second being surroundings. If threat level is imminent danger to my person or loved ones, fuck surroundings. I’ll fire at the threat even if there may be a chance of other non involved persons around. My life and my family’s life in my opinion is priority 1, all else are secondary. It may sound harsh, but really ask yourself, are you really not going to take a shot because you may hit another person or property? If you say you won’t then your failure to act has killed you or your family. Friendly fire and collateral damage is part of life. I’d rather be charged by doing than be safe and dead.
On an aside, my pistol is a tool I employ to get the carbine in the trunk.
not here cause I take way to many stops shopping etc…when I go out and dont want to risk my rig getting broken into and having it stolen
no trunk either SUV have thought about a lock box ? maybe will do that in the future when I have more room in the back
I’d do my best to escape and evade and it sounds like this is what the victim was attempting. Even though I am armed I’m probably safer running than fighting. That doesn’t mean I wouldn’t be trying my best to shoot and drive at the same time.
Damn shame, sounds like another decent person killed by a scumbag for no reason.
I’d be willing to bet the cell phone was on speaker as he tried to get away. Too bad the victim wasn’t armed. Could have been enough to make the difference.
Need an attorney on here–my first guess would be LEOs could open fire as soon as he brandished but mil/private citizens would need to legally drive away. Probably depends on state?
Definitely depends on the state. If I’m sitting in a car and somebody drives up, leans over, and points a gun at me I can shoot the guy in Alaska. No different than if a guy walks up 20 feet away and points a gun at me. Our"stand your ground" law goes into effect on 9/18/13, but I think under our current laws you would still have a good case of self defense if you said you couldn’t retreat.
If I’m on an interstate, then I brake suddenly and pull to the side of the road so that his car is in front of mine. My preference is the left median if possible. By doing this, I force him to walk into traffic if he is going to stop ahead of me and flank my passenger side. It effectively eliminates 180 degrees of his options to approach me. If there is no left median, then I pull to the right side and make sure that my front is angled toward traffic so that my engine block is cover. Under no circumstances would I allow him behind me.
If I know the area, that’s what I’d do. That part of town is a mish-mash of roads and easy to lose someone in if you’re willing to do it (I.e. drive hard and like a maniac). Like I said, if he knew the area he probably could have cut over to MLK and then drove like the hammers of hell, pulled into Shoot Straight, ran inside and asked for them to lock the doors. Thing is the victim wasn’t from Tampa, he was from Orlando. So he probably didn’t know the area and felt more comfortable on I-4. That right there was his big mistake. False sense of security.
The thing it comes down to is being situationaly aware and having a plan of some sorts. Often I travel for a living and I wind up in more than my fair share of “not so good” areas. But even in the “good” areas, I always have taken at least a cursory look at a local map so that God forbid something impels me to, I have a shot at E&Eing my way to safety. The last things I am going to try to do are A) Shoot it out right then and there or B) Get on an interstate, especially one that I know is always a cluster fudge which would limit my mobility and options.
I’m not so sure about that. To stay behind the other car, you have to remain in visual contact and follow. If they pull up next to you and you stab the brakes and fall behind initially that may be a good choice. If they stop to block the road or wait for you, you need to either stop to keep them in front of you, or as you suggest, turn off on a side road, which in my mind is better than stopping. However, this puts them behind you once again.
I have been followed by crazy folks a couple of times although they were not armed. I lost them by putting them behind me and driving like hell. In one case, I stabbed the brakes to get behind, but they merely did the same and I then had to make up for lost momentum.
I don’t think there is a universal answer, nor do I know what I don’t know, but I think there is a reason that perps who escape from pursuing LE don’t do so by staying behind the cop car
TAMPA –
The Hillsborough County Sheriff’s Office said it has made an arrest in the shooting death of an Orlando man on I-4 in Tampa on Saturday.
No other information has been released, but the sheriff’s office has scheduled a 3:30 p.m. press conference.
Fred William Turner Jr., 47, was fatally shot while he was on a cell phone telling a 911 dispatcher someone with a gun was pursuing him Saturday afternoon. Authorities closed I-4 near the I-75 interchange for several hours while they searched for clues.
Turner, who called 911 while he was in the area of North 50th Street and East Columbus Drive, told the dispatcher he did not know or provoke the man who was following him.
He was still on his cellphone as he approached the I-75 overpass on I-4 when the dispatcher heard shots ring out.
Turner pulled his green Ford Mustang over near the overpass and died about 3 p.m.
During a press conference Monday afternoon, Colonel Donna Lusczynski clarified that this incident did not stem from road rage, but rather a case of mistaken identity, “and being in the wrong place at the wrong time.”
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It turns out Hayes and a friend of his got into an altercation with someone while at The Gold Club that day, waited outside for that person to leave, and then followed Turner as he left Tres Equis- thinking he was the man from their fight.
Turner was not ever engaged in the disagreement, and according to Colonel Luczynski, he lost his life over a misunderstanding.
