I’m looking at Luke Halloway’s stuff, and was wondering if anybody had experience with Silat.
I also know that stuff like Southnarc’s ECQC and BJJ is highly recommended, and I’m looking to get into classes for that.
My previous fighting experience is Krav Maga mainly.
I’m partial to bjj. I feel that whatever you train must be trained live and isn’t reliant on attributes. A dying aspect of bjj that I feel strongly about is the self defense side that teaches getting out of things like bear hugs and grabs. It’s not as sexy as the UFC but more useful.
That’s specifically what I like about it. But a lot of BJJ practitioners don’t know when to disengage, and that sucks against multiple opponents. Which is what I like about Silat, as it keeps you on your feet.
Get to an ECQC , like now.
I hate to drop that one liner here and just go, but Craigs take on modifying bjj skills for a Weapons Based Environment (WBE) and multiples is something that needs to be experienced.
There is lots of good reading on www.totalprotectioninteractive.com about the different combat sports, and you will def find a large lean towards bjj from the ECQC grads.
I don’t think any system is truly equipped for handling multiple attackers besides weapons and maybe running. I have enough trouble with one…
I tell people that BJJ helps tremendously when/if the fight goes to the ground (obviously). You still need to be a man and know how to throw a punch or kick or at the very least keep your hands up and keep yourself from being KTFO.
Realistically though you wouldn’t want the fight to go to the ground because most likely you will just get kicked/punched by multiple people. One on one, you might have the advantage against somebody, unfortunately most physical altercations don’t go down this way.
Look around and see if there are:
Boxing
Muay Thai
Judo
Jujitsu
Akido
Arnis
In your immediate area. Spend time in all of them…
So far I’ve trained in both Aikido and Jujitsu, (Japanese).
Old school feudal Jujitsu techniques are brutal.
It is difficult to find a Dojo that teaches the old stuff.
Aikido, Jujitsu, Aikijitsu, etc. is fairly effective on multiple attackers.
As with most martial arts, timing and distance is crucial to an effective technique.
Sadly, I’ve focused more on weapon based defensive disciplines since becoming a father.
I would like to experience traditional i.e. non-sport Judo and Krav Maga.
The thing that is attracting me to Silat is the effective use of fast, and simple locking techniques, they seem like they’d be very useful against multiple attackers, for creating distance or even taking up space.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUGr97Q4xN8&feature=relmfu
Stuff like that. I’ve been looking into stuff like Luke Holloway teaches, and it looks easy to remember, easy to learn, effective, and fluid. Which is why I want something like it.
Not saying I want to be a ‘‘four arms combat master’’ but I want something that’ll help me stay alive. And I’m wanting to learn this stuff before I get into ECQC so that it’ll eventually help me perform better in ECQC.
BTW: I’ll look into that stuff, thanks Mjolnir, and what is Arnis?
Thank you. I will do some reading there. I’ve heard very good things about Craig’s program, and will try and take one when I feel that I am ready. I know his classes are quite demanding.
I would advise taking the class as soon as your able to get to one. You dont need to be “ready”.
That reads to me like the guy who wont take a Level 1 Handgun class until he feels he can shoot first… dig? Ive trained with Craig a few times, go totally new and ready to learn and work THEN you will know what to work on, and have a real filter to use for the training you decide to follow up with.
Do it. Trust me.
Watched the video and had a few WTF moments. Googled Luke Holloway and got this as a result.
http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=101789&page=1
That’s not a good sign. I’m sure Silat is a legit MA just not from this guy.
Anything Mma related is good. It’s good to know the basics of standup & ground fighting.
BJJ is going to give you a greater amount of functional skill in a shorter period of time than any Silat school
I just read that page, and am having second thought.
I may have just made myself look stupid. Lol.
What are the real world advantages of Judo?
Well sport Judo is a bit different than traditional Judo.
Some of the original techniques were brutal.
Try to find the book “The Fighting Spirit of Japan.”
The author was a turn of the century American sailor who studied Judo in Japan during it’s initial development.
Judo will provide you with excellent abilities in breaking people’s balance while standing and give you a large selection of throws, reaps, and takedowns to add to your toolbox. The groundwork in my schools is rather simple though
Whatever you learn will help, so long as you have a good instructor, and get a chance to see how the style works outside of the studio or ring. All the arts mentioned here have useful, practical aspects that, together, can make someone a more complete combatant.
Consider ground fighting, striking, learning to get struck, weapons, clinch/stand-up grappling range, multiple opponents, and then adding in the dynamic of a firearm (yours or theirs). Don’t neglect fitness as an underlying necessity to all of this. Depending on your strengths, weaknesses, and likely encounters, there really isn’t a bad choice, except to not seek training.
There are a few good martial arts threads on here, though they’re a bit old. Fortunately, none of them devolved into a “whose kung fu is best” pissing match.
Most MMA gyms or dojos will let you take a few free lessons to see if it works for you. Try it out.
At my gym most people train in both the stand up aspect (Muay Thai/boxing) and the ground aspect (BJJ). Some people didn’t like BJJ though after a few lessons and were more interested in striking.
I’m guilty of that.
Simple reason. Kickboxing/boxing is fun, especially if you have some good guys to spar with.
Rolling with sweaty dudes is just not my cup 'o tea.