Went out today to put a few hundred rounds through my gun, and I noticed this gem of a WTF in a box of Wolf ammo I was loading into a mag:
I took the photos next to a spent casing I had on my desk to show the difference in machining. Never seen anything like this before. Anyone else ever seen a round like this from a box of factory steel cased shells?
The question for our group was would it eject? I wasn’t willing to try, and I opted with the “take photo of it, and post on M4Carbine” option, rather then the “load it and find out” option.
no, never seen that before. looks diseased. i don’t suppose it would extract, and the way that primer is floating in that cavity, i wouldn’t want to fire it… if that sucker ruptured, you’d be looking at a blow’d up magazine at the very least, possibly a wrecked gun and some shrapnel to to the support arm.
Absolutely agree 100%. Call me finicky but I look at every round I load into a magazine. Out of over 2000 rounds with this rifle though, and I have only found 2 I have pulled out . One Wolf, and one Federal. The above round though is unlike anything I have ever seen.
I think Templar said it best when he mentioned that he has had rounds from in the U.S. that he wouldn’t load too.
I was worried about this turning into a Wolf bashing thread, and I hesitated posting because of this, so let’s stay away from that. For everyone waiting to bash I have put over 1,000 rounds of Wolf through the firearm since I had it returned to me from SW, and I have hadn’t had a single malfunction.
As for the round itself, it is an obvious problem with when they where shaping the cartridge. Someone on the lathe (or most likely a robot) let it go on into the next stage of production…
So does anyone have a Double Star they want to shoot this thing through? I’m curious what is going to happen???
no point bashing because one round out of BAJILLIONS was born retarded. wolf isn’t super ammo, but they pump out enough that this sort of thing is probably, literally, one in a million.
these things happen…
I bought Wolf ammo for the first time a couple of years ago…60rounds IIRC…all rounds were crimped badly…they crimped the bullet insted of the neck of the case dameging them… all rounds looked like in the pic below :rolleyes:
Speer cranked out a ton of pistol cases with case heads there were oddly con-caved (bowed inwards); these were loaded and sold as regular “Lawman” ammunition at full MSRP right along with cases that were not bowed that way.
Those Speer cases reloaded just fine on the Dillon & worked in my guns (though the round you pictured looks too deformed to risk firing it - plus the pressures in a rifle are much higher).
Why would Speer do that? Because, Lawman is practice ammunition. QC is NOT the same for practice ammo as for defensive ammo. Witness all the Speer Gold Dot that was sold off cheap in bulk packs because there might - just maybe - have been one defective round in the lot. Speer pays attention to their premium defensive ammo’s QC.
The rifle round you found was probably made for export. Or, if its real surplus, they might not care about their troops the way Lake City cares about our brave GIs.
I’d say it DID pass Quality Control. Meaning, QC isn’t a 100% kind of game. If you had 18 out of 20, then yes, I’d say it’s a failure in QC, but one… not so much. They have a threshold and one out of who knows how many millions is far under the QC threshold.
I have seen numerous of those while consulting for ATK-Speer. Not that I am QC or anything, but taking a tour of the various facilities, QC is very highly regarding as the utmost goal especially for the duty ammo. Each round is inspected before loaded by a machine and human. Now mistakes can happen but not often. Now for practice ammo it is typically only machine scanned for defects, some are missed but most are pulled right on manufacturing floor. Honestly, this batch of cases before even going to the loading floor should have been rejected in the metal parts division when these defects were found. Typically a lot with defects isn’t used but sent back to be reprocessed, i.e., melted down and reused.
