How bad does it bother you knowing Obama will win

Take for example the NPR’s predicition or the CNN Election map or the Real clear politics map. All three sources show Obama with a lead. If you were to give each candidate each state that is currently leaning towards them, and then all tossup states to McCain, McCain is still behind according to three different sources.

Bases on the three results the electoral turnout would be (McCain/Obama)…

NPR: 265/273
CNN: 261/277
RCP: 252/286

The only predicition map that gives McCain a chance is 270 to win at 274/264.. It seems to have less Obama leaning states, and more tossup states. Unfortunately, giving McCain all the tossups still only puts them at a 269-269 tie, according to 270towin’s blog updated one week ago.

It’s done for McCain, especially after his recent senior moments.

Whatever, I don’t care, but seeing as how you all are the most rage-filled people that get butthurt at the slightest news of a Democrat taking office, I’d like to see what you all think.

Oh, and voting Obama and still owning ARs, pistols, high cap mags, and PVC. I really am not worried about it.

I will wait till the votes are counted and then they figure out how many votres are false thanks to acorn

the idea of the left is to say its over so they hope you dont go out and vote for McCain

so you think nothing is going to happen to the price of ammo or your rights related to firearms with obama in office ?

guess we can come back to this thread if he wins in a few years see how things are ?

then again maybe if he gets in and things get worse all the lefties can still blame bush thats all the left and most all dems I know are good for is blaming others and never taking responsibility for anything

O_o

I don’t even know what to make of this topic.

“It ain’t over till it’s over” Do not get all wrapped around a bunch of “Obama has won the election” BS from the left that is designed to keep the McCain voters from going to vote. The polls had Reagan down a few weeks before the election too. They are also guessing that the democrats will pick up seats in the house and senate. They have been in charge for 2 years and have a lower approval rating than “evil Bush”.
I don’t see anyone here as “rage filled or butthurt” as you conveniently describe all of us.
But it does raise the question, why anyone who owns guns, would be planning to vote for two far left socialist gun banners. Makes me think you might be some sort of leftist infiltraitor inside the wire posing as one of us.
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Very sickening

There have been a number of articles written lately about the difference between the pre-election polls and the actual election results going back 40 years or more. The +/- 3% margin of error business is baloney. They are historical off by a wide margin in almost every election. And almost ALWAYS off in one specific direction… :rolleyes:

Don’t fall victim to the enemy’s PSYOPS which is intended to get you to give up, right? Like dropping leaflets. Vote and wait to see what really happens.

Polls mean nothing. People will say different stuff on the phone vs the polling place. What were Bush’s 2004 pre election polling numbers? I remember well how bad Kerry was beating him in the exit polls on election day. Clearly polls have issues if they can’t even properly figure out who someone just voted for a couple of minutes ago.

Citing polls that show there is no way to win is as bad as voter suppression. In fact, that what those pollls are designed to do - suppress and demoralize the Replublicans.

Don’t believe the hype - get out and vote and make sure your conservative friends do as well.

M_P

You don’t KNOW until the last card is turned over.

No doubt, It does not look good.

Very bad. The end of all life as Gun Owner’s currently know it. I will still cast as many votes as I can for my guy.

I have envision what it would be like to have b. Hussein o. as a POTUS and I don’t like it a bit. I can’t even make myself say his name.:mad:

But like others said, I’m not a quitter and won’t give up. If we’re going by the pollsters, why the hell do we bother to hold elections? :confused: Just let the communist news network select the president.

Go vote for McCain/Palin and let the chip falls on November 4th.

It’s not over and the fat lady has not sung. I am not really a big believer in polls but even this mornings Gallup poll shows Obama at 49% and McCain at 47%. Well within the margin of error. I agree though, that these anti-McCain/Republican adds do not help the cause due to the sheer number of sheeple in the USA.

He will only win if voter apathy sets in (It works both ways). If you are a right leaning gun owner, you cannot throw in the towel just yet. Get out and vote.

According to James Carville, the enemy is the one we have to be concerned about most if they lose the election:

"Now let me be clear here, if Obama goes in this race with a 5- point lead and losing this election, the consequences are – bull, man. I mean I don’t think that’s going to happen, but I think David it’s a point to bring up.

“But you stop and contemplate this country if Obama goes in and he has a consistent five point lead and loses the election, it would be very, very, very dramatic out there…”

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0810/07/acd.02.html

Very, Very, Very dramatic? Wow, that’s three verys! :eek: Sounds pretty rage-filled to me.

Good thing there are a lot of well armed, reasonable people here who are ready to deal with this kind of potentially violent unrest should it be brought to our doorsteps.

There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics. (Mark Twain)

Here are a few excepts from a column by Ann Coulter about presidential elections, statistics, and particularly, polls. She did a study of polls and statistics going back to every election since 1976. Cited from the McCarville Report Online.

  • Reviewing the polls printed in The New York Times and The Washington Post in the last month of every presidential election since 1976, I found the polls were never wrong in a friendly way to Republicans. When the polls were wrong, which was often, they overestimated support for the Democrat, usually by about 6 to 10 points.

  • In 1976, Jimmy Carter narrowly beat Gerald Ford 50.1 percent to 48 percent. And yet, on Sept. 1, Carter led Ford by 15 points. Just weeks before the election, on Oct. 16, 1976, Carter led Ford in the Gallup Poll by 6 percentage points – down from his 33-point Gallup Poll lead in August.

  • Reading newspaper coverage of presidential elections in 1980 and 1984, I found myself paralyzed by the fear that Reagan was going to lose.

  • In 1980, Ronald Reagan beat Carter by nearly 10 points, 51 percent to 41 percent. In a Gallup Poll released days before the election on Oct. 27, it was Carter who led Reagan 45 percent to 42 percent.

  • In 1984, Reagan walloped Walter Mondale 58.8 percent to 40 percent, – the largest electoral landslide in U.S. history. But on Oct. 15, The New York Daily News published a poll showing Mondale with only a 4-point deficit to Reagan, 45 percent to 41 percent. A Harris Poll about the same time showed Reagan with only a 9-point lead. The Oct. 19 New York Times/CBS News Poll had Mr. Reagan ahead of Mondale by 13 points. All these polls underestimated Reagan’s actual margin of victory by 6 to 15 points.

  • So in 1992, the polls had Clinton 12 to 15 points ahead, but he won by only 5.3 points. In 1996, Bill Clinton beat Bob Dole 49 percent to 40 percent. And yet on Oct. 22, 1996, The New York Times/CBS News Poll showed Clinton leading by a massive 22 points, 55 percent to 33 percent.

  • In 2000, which I seem to recall as being fairly close, the October polls accurately described the election as a virtual tie, with either Bush or John Kerry 1 or 2 points ahead in various polls. But in one of the latest polls to give either candidate a clear advantage, The New York Times/CBS News Poll on Oct. 3, 2000, showed Gore winning by 45 percent to 39 percent.

The point of all this? Draw your own conclusions, but in general, polls are among the most imprecise things around, far from reliable. That whole business about “+ or - 3% points” of accuracy is hogwash. In the history of the statistics just cited, the polls could be off by as many as 17 percentage points!!!

Public opinion polls, IMHO, are one of the most pernicious and manipulative things ever invented, particularly when dealing with highly subjective matters concerning politics, culture, values, etc. It’s one thing to take a poll and ask something like: Did you buy vacuum cleaner brand X? Did it break down within the first year? Those are yes/no questions, fairly objective. Those kinds of polls are quite useful.

But polls asking questions about politics and how people are going to vote and so forth, can be, and ARE, used to sway the outcome of the election. How else can someone explain why polls from certain organizations just seem to coincidentally always be “wrong” in a certain direction? As Coulter said, why is it that polls from the New York Times always seem to be wrong in favor of the liberal and/or Democratic candidates?

Clearly the “vast left-wing conspiracy” in America exists. It is a movement that wants to turn America into yet another pansy, Euro-socialist empire like France or Sweden, with handouts for all, and government running EVERYTHING. And the public opinion polls, whose questions can be subtly tweaked and whose results can be so easily predetermined, are their favorite tool.

what bothers me is that people blindly follow him and take him for his “word” and not his record.

I still feel in my joints that Obama is not going to win.

EIGHTY-FOUR PERCENT SAY THEY’D NEVER LIE TO A POLLSTER
October 15, 2008, by Ann Coulter

Ann is always a hoot and this article covers how many times Democrats have led in the polls - but lost. And how strangely, the polls never seem to ever benefit Republicans this way… hmmm.

Hahahaha. Because a gun owner can’t just be a gun owner AND a liberal.

but people blindly vote for McCain simply because he is republican.

Or that he has NEVER held an executive position before. In his life. This will in fact be his “first job” in that regard. The implications of a newly elected president who is on 100% OJT – not just as a president but as a leader in ANY capacity – is almost beyond comprehension. It would be like interviewing a college graduate and liking him so much you decide to make him CEO – When can you start?!