Hornady .223 - 55 FMJ Warning

Just got a heads-up from an out of state PD.

“OUR DEPARTMENT HAS EXPERIENCED AMMUNITION FAILURE. THE AMMO IN QUESTION IS HORNADY 223 55GR TRAINING FMJ LOT#3070091. THE ROUNDS EXPLODED IN THE CHAMBER CAUSING DAMAGE TO THE RIFLES. THERE WERE NO INJURIES TO THE OFFICERS. THE WEAPONS WERE FIRED AND THE MAGAZINES EXPLODED AND FELL OUT OF THE WEAPONS. BOTH EXTRACTORS AND BOLT RELEASES WERE DAMAGED OR DESTROYED AND THE SHELL IS LODGED IN THE CHAMBERS. THE AR RIFLES WERE A BUSHMASTER AND A ROCK RIVER. HORNADY HAS BEEN CONTACTED AND ARE AWARE OF THE SITUATION.”

This is the second failure involving this ammo in recent months that I’m aware of. One of our officers recently attended SRT training at the Ohio State patrol academy. During the training an officer using the same ammo, lot# unknown, had the same thing happen.

I can’t offer any additional information.

Just a FYI for what it’s worth.

Stay safe,
Scott

Wow. Tag for more on this.

Kinda sounds like tight chambers and real 5.56 ammo…I’m guessing, but the rifles in question are known for not always having a 5.56 chamber…

Interesting. I have a bunch of this ammo at home. I’ll have to check to see what lot number mine is from. The training tap ammo is in .223, not 5.56 so I don’t think that would be the cause of the malfunction.

Please keep this thread updated with information when you get it if you could. I use this ammo myself (although I’m not sure of the Lot Number) and I’ve had no ill effects. I’m running them through a Stag 5.56 upper…

Big time TAG here.

Tight chamber and real 5.56 ammo is guess one.Not sure how this would cause a case failure. I will bet weak case, weak case head. This typically causes mag damage and or mag blow out. Brass case? or steel. If brass I will bet a brass case that is either to soft or to hard.
But what the hell do I know.
Matt

[i]I’m planning to get in touch with their POC and see if I can find out more and get an update. I’ll post when I do.

Scott[/i]

I would blame Bushleague and RR before I would blame Hornady.

I wouldn’t be so sure of that. TAP Practice is supposed to be .223 pressure ammo. There is a big difference in pressure signs from a tight chamber and a hot load as opposed to an actual KB.

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Here’s a thread from '07 that includes a post from someone saying that there were three KB’s using Hornady training ammo during SRT training at the Ohio Highway Patrol academy. I couldn’t find any verification on it, but it does stand out that it’s at the same place one of your officers witnessed one.

https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=8343

Wedgehead, do you know if the SRT training is done with rifles owned by the academy, or does an officer take his issued/personal rifle?

My Hornady 55 grain Training Ammunition is definitely labeled .223 Remington vice 5.56mm. I recently started phasing out this ammunition and going back to XM193 as I found it would short-stroke in my KAC SR15E3. Switching to 5.56 loadings eliminated that problem, but I still have a few boxes of this ammo left. I am certainly interested in any additional information.

Hornady has a history of overpressure issies with their steel cased ammo. A few years back it was their 75gr ‘match’ load. I know several shooters who sent their ammo back for an exchange. I think this particular line of ammo is contracted out, not manufactured in house so QA\QC is not what it could be.

in my experience Hornady QC is not the best…once I’ve found 2 or 3 rounds in one box with the primer pocket not drilled :confused:
ETA: just read Sgt Gold post…I think we’re talking about the same ammo…75g Match stuff…

From what I’ve picked up, the manufacturing of the steel cases is contracted out, but the assembly of the ammo is done by Hornady. I could be wrong on that.

I tend to agree this is more than just a tight chamber issue. When you get to the kB stage, it’s more than just a hot laod, it’s way over pressure.

I agree. Hornady’s steel cases are berdan primed. I don’t know this as fact, but I’d bet anything that the primed cases are imported and then assembled with hornady’s bullets here in the US.

As a former Hornady employee I can indeed confirm that the steel cased practice ammunition has had a checkered history.

All of the powers that be there know this. It is a recurring issue. They are quick to pay damages and replace equipment when these types of things happen. When I first started working there I was exited/hopeful to buy large quantities of this steel cased ammo at a deep employee discount. It turned out that this was never an option. I was quickly warned away by more than one employee from using ANY at all. (I will not mention their names/positions for fear of retaliation against them.) I even bought an older Bushmaster upper (sans bolt/carrier) from one of these guys there that had a “kaboom” from this ammo. The ejection port door would not close because of the bend/bulge/warp that was put into the ejection port area of the upper from the incident.

Now, in the 2 weeks that I spent in their loading area on assignment (I was a press operator), I saw what I suspected to be the cause for the majority of “kabooms” as related to the steel cased practice fodder. When talking to other employees that were in manning the loading stations (Specifically the steel cased training stuff), they themselves said that they felt that the Russian ammo (Wolf - etc) must have been produced in a different manner than how we were doing it in our facility- as we had great difficulty maintaining a consistent steel cased product. I agreed and watched/helped them load. I even was asked to assist in the QC process of a lot or two. What I found was in the case of the steel casings there was a tenancy to under crimp when first starting/testing the initial run for production. (Steel springs back in a different manner given the same force used than brass does - even when comparably soft). Then once the loadings were approved by downstairs on the test range, the production would commence…

Now it was mentioned repeatedly while I was there, the loading machines that were/are being used were frankly old as dirt, and had a habit of falling out of adjustment rather frequently. The machines that I saw being used (All of them minus the shot shell stuff –new production type machine, and large African game stuff- modified Hornady hand /progressive presses or the hated “Blue” Dillon hand operated progressive presses) were/are being used were of early WWII-Late WWI vintage - with modern day production alterations/updates done to them. Most ran remarkably well, but the complaint was that they still fell out of adjustment too often.

Back to the steel cased practice ammo…

Earlier I mentioned that the steel cases seemed to be under crimped at first. I personally helped re-crimp by hand, on a small “O” or “C” press, some 5000 steel cased training .223 rounds. After helping do this I asked if this was a common occurrence. The answer was yes. I asked if the training ammo had any specifications regarding bullet push and pull. The answer was “as long as it is crimped hard enough to keep the bullet in position” – this was worrisome to me. I even mentioned outright that steel stretches/crimps and has different elastic properties as compared to brass that seems similarly “Soft” or ductile. The chilling responding comment was – “it is just training stuff anyway, no big deal.”… - Ah yeah ok………

In the case of loading / high end re-loading there are Bullet “Push” / “Pull” specifications that manufacturers use (How much pressure, in pounds it takes to push the projectile from where it is crimped into the case mouth down into the case body itself), and Bullet pull which is the same except opposite. All military ammunition has specific push/pull requirements as part of their caliber/use specific TDP. Most if not all ammunition manufactures that care about quality, accuracy and consistency have ideal/target push/pull values established for their products – especially those that are intended for, or are likely to cycle through various types of self loading actions. Even some dangerous game loads have these specs due to their heavy recoil (to avoid “Bullet set back”).

Now let’s take into account the manufacturing consistency of the steel cases themselves. Now going from memory before Hornady had them change it, the cases were marked PPU on the bottom. The lacquer coated cases were and are manufactured overseas and shipped in to Hornady already primed. They are brought in by the “Barrel” (Large cardboard drum like containers similar to those that commercial/industrial powdered detergents come in) and stored at an off-site warehouse prior to their loading.

Taking into account the level of pay and incentive given to eastern bloc countries laborers to do their individual jobs well, and to maintain whatever their level of “Quality Control” that may or may not exist I can confidently say that there most likely exists a vastly higher level of inconsistencies in their finished products than compared to identical things produced here. In this case most likely varying thicknesses of the case walls of the cartridges, as somebody else mentioned undrilled flash holes in primer pockets, inadequately deep or completely uncut extractor grooves, inadequate / botched tempering of the work hardened casings , inconsistent thickness of the lacquer coating on said cases – etc. For all intents and purposes these specific steel casings “Could” be their seconds (I am not saying they are but who really knows without eyes on site.)

Honestly these are throw away items and are cheap and inexpensive for a reason – not only due to the material investment cost but workmanship and quality control.

Keeping workmanship in mind as both produced and seen by myself , the projectiles used in these practice cartridges are not of first quality. They are bullets culled from regular batch production runs that have disfigurements, inconsistent weights, improper materials used in their construction, improper lengths, accuracy issues, a combination of all of the above, etc, etc.

Now (I know it has been a long read) my professional assertion / belief is this: Once the press operator finds their machine has “Once again” fallen out of adjustment and the projectiles are not seated and crimped into place tight enough, that the operator adjusts the crimp die down too far and crimps the ever living piss out of the steel case neck, or does the same when hand crimping the unsatisfactory seated and crimped lot of cartridges that QC caught post machine assembly. Now it is basic science that the tighter you crimp the case neck the more pressure it takes to dislodge the projectile to release the pressure, in essence everything is staying bottled up longer before the crimp releases. This alone may be adequate enough to cause a “Kaboom”. But – add to it the higher possibility of a poorly manufactured case being thrown into the mix and things get more and more dangerous.

As was mentioned before, the reason that this training ammo is such a “Bargain” that it is made from imported steel cases and topped with second quality projectiles. At last I was informed there was markedly less hard specifications set for the actual production of these training rounds. Most (If not all) here understand “The Chart” in regards to quality, I would hold these “Bargain” training rounds as suspect as an “imported Oly carbine”…

—> APB

If underscrimped and neck tension is alreday poor, this could also be case of SEE.

It is for the reasons cited above that I don’t shoot steel cased ammo. It’s not worth it to save a few pennies.

After reading that, I’m glad I reload my own…At least I have control over the Q.C. And, I know exactly what went into them…

I don’t know about the 2007 incidents. My officer personally witnessed the incident earlier this year.

As for training rifles. The attending officer is required to bring his own weapons. As to issued or personally owned that is an individual departmental policy. We have both at our PD.

I will try to get more info…

Scott