Hope, Change, and Open Borders = Dead Americans

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City mourns as teen charged in killing appears in court

Police say on Sunday, the teen lured Madyson Middleton into his family’s apartment from a courtyard at an artists’ complex where they both lived. Once inside, he tied her up, sexually assaulted and killed her, according a charging document.

Police say Gonzalez then hid the girl’s body in a recycling bin

http://news.yahoo.com/teen-charged-death-8-old-appear-court-060717422.html#

Suspect charged with murder of Hayward police sergeant

In the courtroom, Estrada faced murder and firearms charges as well as special circumstance enhancements of murder of a peace officer, lying in wait and drive-by.

Lunger, 48, was shot near Myrtle and Lion streets in Hayward at about 3:15 a.m. on Wednesday after he and another officer stopped a truck that police said Estrada was erratically driving.

Capt. Mark Koller said Lunger, a 15-year veteran of the department who lived in Brentwood, was shot without warning as he approached the driver’s side of the vehicle after he and the other officer stopped Estrada.

Hayward Police Chief Diane Urban said Estrada doesn’t have a prior criminal record but police believe he’s associated with a gang.

According to Estrada’s Facebook page, he was born in Mexico . . .

http://abc7news.com/news/suspect-charged-with-murder-of-hayward-police-sergeant/878757/

FBI: Suspect in Montana shooting says victim laughed at him

Jesus (Hay-Zeus) Deniz-Mendoza gunned down a Native American Family who stopped to help him on the side of the road.

An 18-year-old Wyoming man accused of robbing and shooting three members of a family after asking for roadside help told investigators he opened fire after one of the victims laughed at him, an FBI agent said in a court filing Thursday.

“Deniz told the interviewing agents that he shot the victims because he was getting tired of waiting around, and because the daughter had laughed at him,” the statement said.

http://news.yahoo.com/suspect-montana-family-shooting-wyoming-18-old-182805140.html#

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Jesus Deniz is not an illegal immigrant.

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Was the woman who birthed him?

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No, both his parents are here legally.

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Well that’s good, I never implied any of these three murdering 02 thieves were here illegally. Rather this is a by-product of our .gov’s open border stance whether these guys are illegal, have papers, or are citizens doesn’t change the fact their victims are still dead.

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Changing presidents isn’t going to stop legal immigration. That is a stupid thing to blame Obama for.

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“Legal immigration” that is part of the problem as well.

Yes, as POTUS he IS to blame of the dismantling of our DHS/ICE/INS/etc. He IS to blame for the “Dream Act”, for flooding CONUS with OTMs from Central America. So on and so forth . . .

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Legal immigration is not a problem and if you think Romney or McCain would have prevented Mexicans from legally immigrating, you are delusional.

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Legal immigration IS a problem. The 1965 Immigration Act, thanks to Teddy Kennedy, ash canned the old national origins quota system in favor of vastly increased immigration from Third World countries. It also provided for large numbers of immigrant visas for the immediate (and some NOT so immediate) relatives of US citizens. Plus all kinds of special visas for employers claiming they couldn’t get USCs to work for them for lousy wages and working conditions. Google up “agricultural labor” and Bill Gates/H1B visas. Yes, all “legal”, so shut up and deal with it.

As to what illegal immigration has “accomplished”, even the man in the street is beginning to figure out. Not to mention that the rule of law no longer applies, thanks to agency hacks hired to not do their jobs.

None of which bothers either wing of our monolithic Party.

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I doubt you know anything at all about hiring immigrants for agricultural labor. You know many Americans that want to live out in the badlands and herd sheep?

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I know a few who firmly believe that they were born 100-150 years too late.

Not that I think that they would take the job, as horses are expensive to pay for and you can’t exactly mistreat them today like you could then.

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Supply and demand. Artificially tipping the forces of capitalism is bad. It leads to all kinds of shit like ethanol is gasoline and corn syrup in our shitty coke.

I’m not against imigration, but if you pay enough, people will do it. If the industry dies, so be it.

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I don’t know what this means.

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It means saying we must hire immigrants to support the sheep industry makes no sense. Maybe I misinterpreted your post?

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That isn’t anything to do with supply and demand. If anything, artificially placing limits on who you can hire is messing with the markets.

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Dozens of crackheads out there killing each other on the street too. No rants on that. White on white. Crime is everywhere, no matter who what, where they came from or skin color. Crime is everywhere man. The only thing we can do is ensure our own family’s safety. Politicians wont do a damn thing about it. No matter what “side” theyre on.

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There’s all kinds of immigrants, the ones who actually come here to bust their ass and send some money back home, and the ones who come here to kill and rape our women. (Sad how you only hear about those on the news huh?) the ones who bust ass everyday have families back home. Home in Mexico, a real shithole where the govt. doesnt give a hoot and theres no good jobs, education is expensive for most people and there is little chance of success unless you start smuggling coke. The very coke which the US wants and desires.

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The only way Mexico and other South of the Border countries will ever improve is if the people there take their governments back. That’s never going to happen unless we close the border, control immigration and begin deporting the criminal element we find here.
We act as a pressure relief valve for the corrupt governments south of us, so until that changes they will be stuck in the same rut they have found themselves in forever.
For the most part the criminal element in the immigrant population will prey upon those within their own ethnicity first and foremost. The fact is they hurt more of their own and most of those crimes go unreported.

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You lose.

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Lol, alright. Your brilliant arguments are clearly too much for me. We should lock up all the borders and never let anyone or anything in or out.